Where was Charles Graham from 1910 - 1930?

Question

My Grandfather , Charles Graham appears in this 1940 census living with his brother-in-law.

 

First, I can't really grasp the full relationship here, some facts my mom knows:

 

• Her dad died when she was very little
• She remembers an Uncle Charles Cripps, and aunts Johanna and Catherine

That led me to this census record which seems like a clear hit to me.  Even the street (St Anne) was recognized.  Some interesting facts from this census:

• He's listed as married, but she isn't in the home.  My mom never knew he was married prior to getting together with my grandmother, so this was an interesting find.  Knowing our family though, this is pretty much par for the course.
• He's Brother-in-law to the head of household.
• A mother in law, Anna Meier, lives there but her husband doesn't
• I also found records for the marriage of Charles Cripps and Catherine Meier.

 

So I have a bunch of questions.  

• I'm reading this as Charles Cripps was the brother of whatever female Cripps Charles Graham married.  But.... I can't find any record of a sister cripps anywhere, and no applicable marriage record.  So what was the sister's name?
• Alternatively, how would Charles Cripps be listed if he was actually brother-in-law to Catherine?  Is there a word for your wife's brother in law other than brother-in-law?  This means maybe instead of a cripps he married a meier, no record of that either though.
• I can't find a solid census record for Charles before this point, there was no 1935 NYC census either, where was he?

 

I would love any insight that can be offered here.  In the wikitree profile I have a mother of "Anna McCarthy" becuase that was listed in a baby book and it was in the GEDCOM I transferred form ancestry, but I have reasons to think that's probably not true, and maybe his mother is actually the Anna Meier from this census?  On ancestry I found two marriage records that make sense date-wise for Charles Graham, but neither list a wife, which is weird, I might just have to pay to get both of the certificates to see if it clears anything up, but $30+ for a maybe is a tough pill right now.

 

Thanks!

Answer 1

New York Marriages 1866-1937

Catherine Meier marries Charles A. Kripps Dec 31 1935 Bronx New York.

Charles Graham born abt 1909 New York,off 1940 Census.

Comments

So I just started doing a family tree on Ancestory.com and came up with my Grandfacther on my mother's side as Charles A Kripps, living in New Haven, Ct in 1929,married breifly to my grandmother Blanche 

Answer 2

Did Charles Graham born abt 1909 in New York have any sons.

I see 4, Ronald born 1930, Gene born 1931 Richard 1934, Alan P. 1937.

Comments

He had two sons with my grandmother (Charles (1945) and John (1949)), he could have had kids with whomever he was married to in that 1940 census.

My grandmother, Ida Schad, had a son (Edward (1943)) with her husband at that time.  Between '43 and '45 she then ended up with my grandfather Charles (1909).  My mom and aunts/uncles don't know of any other kids that Charles had before he was with Ida, but I wouldn't find it shocking.

Then again, if my mom remembers spending time with Charles Kripps (who she called her Uncle) when she was little, it seems unlikely that she'd know nothing about four sons that her dad [Charles (1909)] had with the wife missing from the 1940 census.

Answer 3

I have a Charles Graham in 1910-1920-1930 Census.If your Charles had a middle

initial or name,that could qualify or discard one.All are in Brooklyn New York.1920

census, Charles Graham,born 1909 ,Father William G. Graham born Ireland.

1930 Census ,Charles Graham 21,Father Lewis (Louis) Graham Age 65 may be

his Grandfather, same with Julia Graham age 65.

Comments

I... believe it's Christopher, although I don't have any actual document that confirms it. But as I understand it I was named Christopher off of him, but I've found middle names uncertain.

My mom grew up in the the Bronx, but obviously that's pretty close so he could have been in Brooklyn.

I saw those two census records elsewhere and saved them for future research.

Edit - Thank you, by the way, for helping out.  This has been such a tricky thing to dig through.

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That could be correct ... his mom I believe came from Ireland to Canada to Bronx.  There were two sons last name Graham.  Then 3 daughters last name Meier.  Catherine Meier Kripps married Charles

Answer 4

It's Charles Kripps.  He married Catherine.  Johanna is her sister.  Charles and Catherine are my grandparents.