Untangling founding Churches of Hartford, CT (and some incidental Graves)

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Hi all, I've been cleaning up my sizable genealogy database, too much of which I put together on Ancestry.com with an excess of trust; it contains a lot of PGM ancestors, as   my father's mother was a Dickinson from South Hadley, and *her* grandmother was a Rehoboth Bullock. Among other things, I've been looking scrutinizing very-young marriages and births, often a sign of trouble.

So, the next in the queue was young Mary Church, born 2 Nov 1632 (effectively 1633), married c. 1645 (age about 12), to Isaac Graves (son of Thomas) in Hartford, CT; and with a child, Mary Graves, born July 5, 1647 (mother not yet 15).

Now, this is beyond suspicious; I've seen just one solidly-sourced early New England marriage at 17, with a child born soon after. 23 is a typical marriage age; 19 is young.  Digging in, there is no suggestion that Isaac had a prior wife; Mary and Isaac's marriage is estimated as happening after 1645, when the Thomas Graves family first appears in the Hartford record, and before the 1647 birth.  She is certainly Isaac's wife; six children appear in the Hartford and Hadley/Hatfield records,  and she's listed as "my daughter Graves" in her father's will.

With everything following 1647 sourced, the 2 Nov 1632 birthdate is suspicious. Consulting Wikitree, I see her birthdate given as 2 Nov 1630, in Hadley; still too young, and Hadley wasn't settled -- at all -- until 1659.  I bet I know how this date was constructed.  (The family on Wikitree also needs some merges and cleanup...)

OK, where did this date come from?  None of the pre-1900 genealogies and histories seem to have it; they all say the Richard Church family turned up in Hartford c. 1637, and may or may not have come with Hooker, or just after, and all his children are presumed to have been born pre-Hartford, as their births aren't in Hartford records.  (Richard received rights to a small amount of "undivided lands" in the Hartford 1640 division of lands -- Jan 3 1639/40, Julian date -- which argues an arrival between 1635 and 1638, probably towards the latter, since it depended on prior development of property; see: https://archive.org/stream/colonialhistoryo00hart#page/124/mode/2up/search/Richard )

Until -- aha!  It seems that all the Richard Church genealogy prior to Hartford, including birthdates, come from a 1914 genealogy published by Charles Washburn Church -- who, alas, depended on Gustave Anjou.

That is, they are evidently fraudulent.  Here's a posting from Richard Lesses, with an account of the fraud, some sources concerning the fraud, and his conclusions:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.misc/qoKlbdgsSfE

Also note that the Richard Church family is not listed in Anderson's _Great Migration_ series.

And... Wikitree has the Anjou genealogy.  

I'm inclined to:

  • Detach Richard Church (Church-166) from the bogus Anjou tree, and Anjou siblings, noting the bogus ancestry in his profile.
  •  Detach Anne (Marsh-194) from the bogus Marsh Anjou tree (since this makes her an Unknown, does that mean copying her info into a new profile?)
  • Disbelieve any Braintree, England-derived genealogy;
  • Estimate Richard and his children's birthdates based on family events or other sources.  (Also be aware that Norfolk, Hingham, and Plymouth records are from the *other* Richard Church, Church-21, as is his  Shoreditch, London, England birthplace.)  


(Put me on the trusted list for any of these and I'll go to it.)

Estimations:

  • Wife Ann died 10 Mar 1683/84, Hatfield MA, aged 84, so was born c.1600. (See http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Richard_Church_%283%29)  (Note that Hadley west of the Connecticut river became Hatfield in 1670, and this is where the Church/Graves families lived)
  •  Son Deacon Edward Church died Sep. 19, 1704, aged 76 (Hatfield) so was born c. 1628  (Tombstone inscription -- see: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=15358255)
  •  Daughter Mary (Church) Graves: Based on marriage c. 1645 or 46, and birth dates of her children (1647 to 1671) and ages of her, I'd guess b. c. 1625, making her ~21 at marriage, and 46 at birth of last child.  Richard and Ann would be about 25 when she was born, and she'd be about 3 years younger than Edward.  
  • Note that Mary's husband Isaac Graves also has an unclear ancestry,  but whether or not his father Thomas was also the engineer Thomas of Charlestown, from Kent England, Isaac's birthdate isn't known, but is usually estimated as 1620.  See: http://www.gravesfa.org/gen131.htm and http://www.gravesfa.org/gen168.htm)
  • Samuel: became freeman of Connecticut in 1657, making him at least 21 in 1657, thus b. 1636 or before; his children were born 1665-1682 (wife Mary Churchill? b. 1639, died 1684)
  • John: was made freeman 1658, so b. 1637 or before (see Catalog of Puritan Names, below); while John is given the birthdate of May 9, 1636, this seems to start with the bogus Washburn genealogy, and is never sourced.  He married 1657 (d. 1691 with 10 children named in will, including one 15 and one 12 yr. old child; so last child born c. 1679)

(Post with sources follows, as this is over 8000 chars.)

 

WikiTree profile: Richard Church
in Genealogy Help by Patricia Hawkins G2G6 Mach 3 (35.4k points)

Sources:

The bogus genealogy,
Simeon Church of Chester, Connecticut, 1708-1792, and his descendants, by Charles Washburn Church (link opening scanned book to Richard Church's family):
https://archive.org/stream/simeonchurchofch00chur#page/10/mode/2up/search/Richard+
Link opening scanned book to bogus English ancestry:
https://archive.org/stream/simeonchurchofch00chur#page/6/mode/2up/search/Richard+

Sources which also include the bogus information:

 

  • Jane Devlin's webpage at her dunhamwilcox site, Descendants of Richard Church, gives the bogus pre-1637 dates, but includes queasy notes about Anjou, e.g.: "[Note: there is some question whether Richard's parents were Richard Church & Alice Vassell or if this was part of a fraudulent CHURCH genealogy perpetrated by Gustave Anjou]"   This page is EXTREMELY clear and well sourced, including quotes of the primary records; notably, she doesn't have sources for the dubious dates.  It's very handy for reference.  http://dunhamwilcox.net/source_files/church.htm

 

  •  Lucius Barbour's Families of Early Hartford, Connecticut_, 1977 gives the bogus pre-1637 birth and marriage dates; I'm accessing this via a google books "preview,"  which doesn't show Barbour's sources; be very nice to find out what they are, if anyone has that book. 

 Some older sources, without the bogus information:

 

 

Very Nice work, Patricia. You should be in the PGM project.

By the way, you do not need to be on the Trusted List of 200+ year-old profiles in order to edit them.
Thanks, Jillian! I gather you're the person to ask, so please, would you add me to the pgm project?  Thank you!
And the moral of the story is that you can't and shouldn't believe compiled genealogies.  If they don't cite sources, they should be used ONLY for clues.  If they do cite sources, then the SOURCES should be checked and cited, not the compiled genealogy.  I know that I have used and cited compiled genealogies when I was just a genealogical baby, I am paying for it now.

(Edited for typos: And I should proofread my comments more carefully before sending them!  Why isn't there a spellcheck when you really need it?)
I am LAUGHING; so true!  Of course, the worst bits are the ones I did first, which were of course the ones closer to me.  Richard Church is one of my 8th great-grandfathers -- though I think a lot of genealogists have missed that too-young mother problem!

But boy, has it given me a nose for bogus genealogies, and how to disentangle them.

Oh, and the other thing I do when looking at purported parents and children is calculate the mother's likely fertile range, and sibling spacing.   Children attributed to a mother when she is too young is often a clue that someone has missed a prior wife; children attributed after someone's death is often a clue of a later spouse.

Early New England families often had a kid every 2 years or 3 years; one spouse dies, the other remarries, and they go on with having kids without a pause.

I,,, um,,, am not often speechless. Actually I wasn't at all until I found WiKi Tree. The more time I spend just reading, the closer I get to being floored,,, Today, I am floored!

I am new, have been unable to do much for reading (hours on end). I'm afraid I'll blow the families. A great deal of work has been done on my families (Church, Stansbury, Poston, Brown... 1 Gorsuch) by geneology folks who started using typewriters rather than keyboards, traveling, digging through atics, rather than searching online.  I've been fond of research my entire life. I'm no Spring chicken. I must pose this question to all the tree folks who cite, source, and dig to find bogus geneaology (I did not know it exisited). Reading your work keeps me up all night.

How does anyone find time for sleep? Patricia-in your 'free' time feel free to edit, cite and source my folks. Everything I have is hand written. This device has no word processing program, no printer, no disk drives.Help yourself folks, I am going to peel myself from the floor for a looong nap!!!

By the way, at one point we discussed creating a "fraudulent" template -- to alert readers when a profiled person had been the subject of one of the many fraudulent genealogies-- Anjou being just one of the bad boys. (And another by the way: not EVERYTHING in an Anjou genealogy is bogus; but because so much is, everything has to be double checked.)

Looks like we never resolved it, and nothing came out of it. I'd still like us to have one. I don't know enough about designing them, though. It would be great to have modifiers, so that it would be

{{fraudulent}} would display something like: "This person was included in a known fraudulent genealogy. Check all sources."

{{fraudulent|Anjou|1910}} would display something like: "This person was included in a known fraudulent geneaogy by Gustav Anjou in 1910. Check all sources."

 

I spent some time looking into Richard Church of Hartford.  There is surprisingly little published about him. He's not in Anderson because he came over after 1636 and that's as far as Anderson got. So far. AND he's been conflated with Richard Church of Hingham about whom a LOT has been published because he married a Mayflower daughter.  

Patricia, I hope you'll incorporate those sources into the appropriate profiles. You don't need trusted list access to do so. Thanks for your great work.
Thank you, Jilliane, for the cleanup on that profile -- I've got a new version of the profile that I've been wrestling with, and not having to clean up crufty sources and citations makes a difference.

Of course, I'll be tossing much of it out --  which I notice you recommend -- but now I don't have to spend time sorting out what they ARE before I do that.

Thanks!
Hi Barbie, I'm also a Richard Church descendant, (9th ggfather) so we're some sort of cousin, but I don't have the tree in place yet on Wikitree -- mostly via Dickinsons, with an incidental Julia Ferry on the way, who of course married another Dickinson.  Anyone descended from the early Connecticut River settlers, I'm related to six ways to Sunday.

I do genealogy to procrastinate and relax, when present-day problems get a bit much.   So... I get a lot done.  I didn't go looking for a fraudulent genealogy, just for where the heck the source of the birthdate of the too-young  mother came from!  I usually figure a mother's age of 20-40 or 45 for birthdates I swallow without worrying; the further outside that range it gets the more I want for sources or consistent patterns.

My [[Hawkins-4531| great aunt Jean]] was one of those diggers in attics and researchers in graveyards.   I remember her taking me and my sister to the Old Hadley Graveyard when I was about four and she was looking after us, and she had "something to check."  And she told me very impressively that I was descended from Nathaniel Dickinson who is buried there.

Now I wish I'd paid a bit more attention to her research and her methods!  She was a sweetie, and I still miss her.
I'd be all in favor of a fraudulent genealogy template too!  Especially since people *so* want to fill in missing birthdates and ancestors -- they think they have them, they want to fix the problem....
I think a "fraud" genealogy template, and then using it in conjunction with a category -- something like Anjou Fraudulent Genealogy -- might be the way to go.   I notice with pleasure that [[Jungbert-1| Anjou]]'s own profile fits the category.

2 Answers

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Was not Issac Graves (the son of Thomas Graves, born 1585 in England and died in Hadley) the one who married (before 1647), Mary Church and was killed 19 Sept 1677 along with his brother John, during the Indian raid on Hatfield?

Having many ancestors coming from Charlestown (myself included) I was very Intereted in Thomas Graves who "built" the town. In tracking him down, he eventually went "dark", left the area and if  my memory serves me, returned to England.

Jim
by Living Wormelle G2G6 Mach 1 (10.8k points)
edited by Living Wormelle
Yes, Isaac Graves is the son of Thomas Graves of Hartford, and the husband of Mary Church, the suspiciously young mother in the discussion; and was killed by New England Algonquin in Hatfield.   I dug into his history too, because you never know what turns up:

Whether Thomas Graves of Hartford  is also Thomas Graves the engieer who built Charlestown is unknown, and perhaps unknowable; Thomas-the-engineer had a wife and five children, but there's no known record of their names, or even whether they actually came to America:

"In his contract, he asked to have the Mass. Bay Co. pay costs of transporting his wife, 5 children, and 2 servants, but there is no record of their actually arriving in the colony.  The names of his wife and children are not known."

(Hartford Thomas Graves currently has an English history that I'm pretty sure is wrong, but I've plenty else to do right now.)
FYI Yes they did come over, in 1631 or 32 and lived in Cambridge until Thomas sold is property and home there, in 1634. Nothing is heard of him after...at least yet.

Also, have a question. What is the differance between this fradulence and just mis-information, a mistake, an error in putting the wrong generation in or other types of mistakes we make in our own work...or can.

Thanks, just curious.
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Patricia, given the work you've put into the Church family, I thought you might like to see this recent discovery & analysis by Ann Browning.

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1428081/fixing-possible-english-origin-richard-church-immigrants
by Brad Stauf G2G6 Mach 3 (33.7k points)

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