Tryon Family in America - invitation to help clean up and collaborate on this line

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The descendants of William Tryon (born 1645) who died in Wethersfield, Connecticut i 1711 is documented in Wes Tryon's "The Tryon Family in America" - hereafter - TFA - available online at gratisbooks.com.

I invite discussion on the merits of this source and I invite collaboration on clearing up the Tryon lineages that have been imported to wikitree that connect with or trace to Tryon-5.   

The current state of records connected with Tryon-5 and close relations is highly confused and it appears there were multiple imports and merges - including merges of father-son records.  It is very difficult to process and unravel.  

According to TFA - Tryon-5 had three wives, the name of the first being unknown.  She died after bearing two children and before he came to America.

The name of his second wife is surmised in TFA - as Mary Steele.   At least 8 children.

Third wife: Sarah Saint Robinson (who married Lattimer first).   Together they had one child, Abiel   She had two prior children with Bezaleel Lattimer, her cousin.
WikiTree profile: William Tryon
in Requests for Project Volunteers by Michael Maranda G2G6 Mach 7 (70.7k points)
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I added tags for dutch_roots and huguenot.   William's ancestors reportedly came to England from Holland 1563.
Michael, I judge the reliability of any genealogy by the extent to which it cites its sources and the quality and analysis of those sources. I only looked at the first chapter but I didn't see any source citations. It might be accurate but we have no way of knowing. :-(

And I was very discouraged to read "I've decided to go with Mary Steele as his wife" followed by no explanation of why. That kind of writing typically has me put the work down and go searching for something better.

Good luck.
There used to be (tho I was not aware at the time) a site Tryon-Union.org or .com where a community was working on this lineage, and trying to validate or disconfirm aspects of the lineage.  (As I understand it.)   Related to this was a mailing list (linked somewhere below).  I keep trying to find the key organizers to see what data may remain if any.   My hope would be also to gather the criticisms as part of a new analysis.
The Gale Tryon Harris article completely challenges the starting assumptions of the TFA book.   I note the three biggest points on the Tryon-5 record.

Namely:

a) Origin of William Tryon -- uncertain as to his origin in Bibury.

b) Challenges the story of a marriage in England and leaving two children there with his brother.

c) Surname of Mary his first wife in Connecticut - i..e as Loveland rather than Steele.

The first two - are viewed as unsupported claims.  The third is more specific - a misattribution of the maternal line, and a conjecture that it is more likely to be Loveland, while making the strong case for it not being Steele.

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An extensive article on William Tryon's first wife appears in The American Genealogist, Vol 83, No. 2 (July 2009), pp. 81– 100, by Gale Ion Harris, FASG (title: William Tryon's First Marriage). It's available on the New England Historic Genealogical Society (NEHGS) web site, if you have access.

The chronology for William Tryon is consistent with an account of the Steele family by Frank Farnsworth Starr, which showed that Mary Steele, born in Farmington in 1652, married John Thompson in Farmington on Oct. 24, 1670, some seven months after William Tryon appears as head of a family of two persons in Hartford, indicating he had married.

Instead, there is circumstantial evidence that William Tryon's first wife  was named Mary Loveland. (There is no evidence that he had married in England nor that he left children there with a brother.) The evidence revolves around William Tryon's association at that early period with Mary Loveland's step-father and John Loveland, her brother, as well as some other relatives/neighbors of Mary Loveland. William is first mentioned in American records on Sept. 7, 1665 when he appeared at a Quarter Court in Hartford, with Caleb Benjamin standing surety for him. In November of 1670 William was listed as a creditor in the estate of John Loveland, brother of Mary Loveland. The two Loveland children had been raised in the home of their step-father, Thomas Edwards, in Hockanum, Connecticut (later a part of Glastonbury). In March, 1669 William was living in the household of a Mr. Lord in Hartford. By January 19, 1670 he was listed as head of a family (of two persons) in Hartford, indicating he had married. In 1673 William witnessed the deed for the sale of land by Samuel Hale (Caleb Benjamin's father-in-law and Thomas Edwards' neighbor). In July, 1683 he was listed as a creditor of Thomas Edwards in the latter's estate, along with Walter Harris, who had also grown up in Thomas Edwards' household. Later, Walter Harris seems to have lent money to William Tryon, as in 1697 there was a court judgement against William on behalf of Walter Harris requiring payment of a debt of 32 shillings and 9 pence.

The author concludes that William was born about 1646, "origin unknown". I have checked English records, and the Bibury record and others are very inconclusive, being linked through name only (the Bibury record I think was the source of his purported origin in that village is for the baptism of a child of a William Tryon in 1658/9, when William would have been only about 12 years old). Most records for the name Tryon  from the appropriate period are from Northamptonshire, with a few from Gloucestershire and Middlesex (London). The name William is unusual, but not absent, in those records, but there is nothing definite to link any of them with William Tryon in Connecticut.

 

by Laurie Keller G2G6 (7.8k points)
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Thank you Laurie.  I don't have access t that article, but would love to review it.
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I'll take a look at them and see if I can find something of them in Dutch archives :) Here's a thread also mentioning the Dutch connection 

And here's a source, reprint from an ancient book it says : The early history of the Tryon family  maybe you already found this one, but just in case ;)

And this one : The Lindgren/Tryon Genealogy: The Ancestry of John Ralph Lindgren and ...Tyron Door J. Ralph Lindgren just search for Tryon here and you can go from there to all pages with info about the Tryon family

And here's the Pieter Tryon and Dutch ones mentioned  : 

Christoffel (Darther) Gerritsz Tirion (Tierjon), born 1605, died at Rotterdam in 1653, origin from Belgie, possibly Gent, (where in 1585 Pieter Tryon was living a Baptist (his religion), or from the area of Luik, (where maybe the original name would have been Thierry  ?), Christoffel married at Rotterdam April1,  1623  Jeanne Antoine. From this marriage (Tirion-Antoine) were born (o.a?) :

1. Isaac Stoffels Tirion, bapt.. Rotterdam 16-2-1628, buried. Gouda 21-12-1699,

2.Jannetje Tirion, married before 1725 Ds. Abraham van Loon, born. Gouda, died before 1725, Baptist Preacher at Dordrecht (1678-1689)

in An act of superscription , wills and opening,at Schiedam 
date November 28, 1725 is mentioned Johanna Tierion 
widow of late Rev. Abraham van Loon
As you can see the names were written totally different so if you try 
and search for them in Holland try Tryon, Tierion, Tiron Tirion Tyrion 

And here :  Nikhef L. Lapikás, Kwartierstaat Van Schothorst,  version 10.1, Muiden, 2014. a whole bunch of others starting with Isaac Stoffels Tirion, too many to translate , but if you would like to add them to the Tryon lineage and/or need stuff translated I or maybe one of our project members would be glad to help of course :)

by Bea Wijma G2G6 Pilot (305k points)
You might want to add in Triall and Tryal as I have seen records with both for a descendent named William.  Happens to be a bit  annoying  as I searched for a William Tryon before I added  a William Triall a few days ago and he didn't turn up
Indeed you need to try as many and all different versions of the name you can think of , absolutely no consistency in the name writing  those days ;)
Thanks for these links Bea  - I will dig into them soon and thank you for your comments  on name variations, Jeff.   

I personally have not explored the Tryon lineage prior to their coming to the Americas beyond what is written in Wes Tryon's book, so this is new territory for me - and for starters I just want to clean up what is on wikitree and have discussion with others interested in the descent from this line to arrive at a good formulation of what is known and able to be documented..   

I am of Tryon lineage, but my line has not been connected to any others yet.  In trying to see if and where my Tryon line might connect I have amassed a considerable dataset on Tryon's in America - with a number of lines so far not traced to this William who dies in Wethersfield.  In my flights of fancy I dream of a new edition of Tryon's in America.

I hope to get Tryon-5 cleaned up and ideally brought under some "protection" - which would ease the problem of regular merge-imports.  Clearly there is connection under Dutch_roots.    I am not sure if they also fit under the project definition of  the Huguenot migration - as that project page mentions specifically the French Huguenots.
Reading through the Early History of the Tryon Family at the link you shared, Bea.  It appears the Wes Tryon book echoes much of what is there.

Yes it does eeh, that was also how I found them here , thought well Peter probably is the translated version for the Dutch Pieter (see this happen a lot, but here Peter and Pieter are two very different names, so if you're searching for a Pieter , you'll never going to find him with the name Peter of course :P So tried the Pieter Tryon and that gave all the Dutch info. There are two profiles for Pieter already Moses (Peter?)Tryon  and Peter Tryon already posted a link to this G2G at the second one for the manager, just discovered the second one. So could be duplicates ? 

Some of them were Mennonites (religion) maybe some of them first fled to England and than went with the Mayflower to the New Netherlands ? These could belong to , I'm not sure but maybe the Mayflower project? If not they also could maybe fall under the 

New Netherland Settlers project ?  

If none of those or any other projects fits,  of course if they are descendants of people born in the Netherlands can fall under the Dutch Roots Project as well , if you need or would like some of them PPP't I can PPP them for you if you like, and maybe a category (a name category for example) is an option as well , this way you'll have all of them listed there .

Thank you Bea.  I don' t know yet about any claims pertaining to the Mayflower project - I will need to study it's scope.  I also have to review criteria for being eligible for PPP!   it sounds like Dutch_Roots may be most aplicable, until I learn more or perhaps another researcher on the Tryon lineage will chime in.

I've generated the [Category:Tryon Family in America] and tagged a few of them as I slowly work through cleaning up the relations and profiles.
Thanks Bea  - tricky working with the alternate names here!  I found the first Peter/Moses - thank you for alerting me to the possible duplicate!  (And I keep switching which machine I am working from)
Your welcome Michael always a pleasure indeed all these variations is something you have to get used to , in fact it's not that tricky and depends on the archives as well , almost all alternates were used, sometimes one and the same person was registered with a different version each time , so at each child birth/ baptism they had a different version :P
I reviewed the Mayflower and New Netherland projects. I don't think these Tryons meet their criteria.  I'd be pleased to see them under Dutch protection.  :)
An article from "The Ancestor No 2" (1902) was referenced in the "Early History of the Tryon Family".  The article is titled "The Huguenot Families in England; The Tryons" - I share a link for anyone interested:

https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE108852&

The article begins on page 175 (of the printed numbers, not the pdf count)

A subsequent issue continues the topic of the Huguenots in England with the Barons.

https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE108855&
Recent details uncovered make an exploration of the Tryon Family in England imperative - especially from 1600-1700.  I'm not much familiar with resources available, nor am I sure of how much time will be at my disposal for this in the near future
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I'm trying to document early Tryons in Connecticut without reference to Tryons in America. I recently came across the problem of the Hannah Northway married to Abiel Tryon. I noticed that many had Abiel's wife Hannah dying in 1752. Indeed there is a record for a Hannah Northway dying in 1752, but she's named in the church records as Hannah Northway, not as Hannah Tryon/Tryall/Triall, nor as Hannah Northway wife of Abiel Tryon (etc.). So I went back and checked Abiel's will. In it he named his wife Hannah as one of his two executors. Looking further into the documentation I find his widow Hannah mentioned as receiving her share of the moveables of Abiel's estate on the 25th of June 1771, so she was obviously still living at that date.  I then went back to find a marriage record for Abiel with a Hannah Northway. I found one for 11 Nov 1731 in Wethersfield. Trying to work out when Abiel's widow Hannah died is, however, more problemmatic, as more than one Hannah Tryon was living in or died in Wethersfield in the period when Abiel's widow is likely to have died.

by Laurie Keller G2G6 (7.8k points)
I am thankful of your diligence in this work!
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I just want to note, for the record, my tagging of persons in Tryon lineage as Tryon Family in America etc - that this is intended to capture the positive intention of that phrase - and not to give credence to the genealogical claims of the book by Wes Tryon of that name.   I use that work as a jumping off point and my research tree initially leaned upon that work but sought sources to either substantiate or disconfirm specifics when possible.  As is known  - there are many gaps in the record.  

My earlier effort was in expanding upon TFA as well as updating it.    - There seemed to be numerous branches  that ought to have been contained in it that weren't.

The excellent article Laurie recommended on William Tryon of Hartford and Wethersfield in the American Genealogist by Gale Ion Harris needs to be taken into account by any researchers of this family.

I view my efforts here in Tryon Name Study and Tryon Family in America (and in England, too) with the broadest lens - not limiting the effort to a particular lineage - but to the surname and it's variants.
by Michael Maranda G2G6 Mach 7 (70.7k points)

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