Did Jincy Williams, 1828- ?, marry John Dorman, 1828-1905?

Question

Baker County Press article1965,66 by  Genealogist Gene Barber, stated the following:

FROM IRISH SEAFARING TO BAKER COUNTY FARMING

In 1828 a son was born in Ireland to a seaman by the name of Dorman. Whether or not this son, who was named John, followed his father's vocation at sea is not known, but at an early age he arrived in North Carolina , and from there he migrated to the western frontier of Alabama.

In the adjoining Florida County of Jackson lived a Florida pioneer by the name of Andrew Elston Williams. He was the progenitor of the large and famous Williams clan who gather for their annual re-union in Graceville. His daughter Jincy, one of 23 children, became the bride of John Dorman. She was born in Jackson County, Florida. In 1857 the Atlantic and Gulf Rail Company began construction of the Florida Atlantic and Gulf Coast Railroad (the present Seaboard Air Line)*. Mr. Dorman was employed by the rail company, and he worked on the stretch of rail between Baldwin and Lake City .

It was while he worked on the railroad that he moved to a farm north of Johnsville Station, the small community that would become Sanderson with the coming of the rails. The railroad was barely completed when the War Between the States broke out in 1861. Mr. Dorman enlisted for the duration of the war. Although he lived on a farm, Mr. Dorman did not farm. but turned that vocation over to his sons.

The children of John and Jincy Dorman were:

Sarah E: Born 1848 or 1851 in Florida; married John Richard Combs, son of George.

John T: Born 5 September, 1850 in Florida; died in 1929, buried in Cedar Creek; married Jane F. Elizabeth Davis, Daughter of John C. Jerry M.: Born 2 January, 1850, in Florida; died 8 January, 1927; buried Cedar Creek; married Ellen Combs, daughter of George (or perhaps she was Ellen Harvey). Martha "Mattie": born 1854 in Florida,; died in 1929; buried Cedar Creek; married John Jackson Davis, son of John C. Francis M.: born 1859 in Florida; died 1920; buried Olustee; married Rachel cobb, daughter of William C. Ada: born 26 February, 1866 in Florida; died 10 August, 1885; buried Cedar Creek; married John Jackson Davis, son of John C.

Mr. Dorman's descendents have been employed in a number of varied vocations...oil, farming, and construction, among many others. From Irish seafaring to Baker County farming is a long and interesting journey, but such is typical of many of the Baker County lines. The RR is now (2001) the CXL.

SOURCE:  The Baker County Press , 1965,66 From Out Of Our Past   By Gene Barber     WEBSITE:http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~flbakehs/ourpast.html

 

Comments

This has become an ongoing vexation for me since I started out by listing all of Andrew Elton Williams children as taken from the memorial marker at the entrance to Galilee Methodist Cemetery.  The original intention was to list these ancestors so that others could flesh out the facts.

In the case of Jensie Williams (also seen spelled as Jinncy and several other variations) has left the trail of a shadow and the accompanying mystic that permeates "Old Time Florida".

Debbie Pelham has been extremely helpful in providing clues that have left me puzzled and confused since I have be unable to provide any finality.  The majority of Andrew Elton Williams's family are well documented and followed.  I will be sharing the last information on Jensie's listing under her biography and sources as a reference at www.wikitree.com.

The disjointed information I have provided here reflects my state of mind in this case.  It is not in my nature to leave a mystery unsolved as I have, in this instance, and I intend to continue following up on this.  Hopefully, someone can provide an old family Bible (not an unusual book in our family) or similar documentation.  I will also submit this to the Williams Family Newsletter in hopes of providing more information sooner!

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2018- still no answer

Who is Jincy that John Dorman, 1828, married? 

He died in Baker County, FL possibly in 1905 although his tombstone list 1893 as his death date (problems with this: Cemetery records state burial site was lost, he and Jincy are in the 1900 Baker County, FL Census).  

The only conclusions so far are:

1. “JINCY” is the correct spelling based on a grand daughter’s middle name of Jincy.

2.The Jackson Co., FL Jincy Williams is not our Jincy Williams. The dates don’t  work and the Jackson Co., Fl Williams family has verified there is no connection.

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2018- still no answer

Who  is Jincy that John Dorman, 1828, married? 

He died in Baker County, FL possibly in 1905 although his tombstone list 1893 as his death date (problems with this: Cemetery records state burial site was lost, he and Jincy are in the 1900 Baker County, FL Census).  

The only conclusions so far are:

1. “JINCY” is the correct spelling based on a grand daughter’s middle name of Jincy.

2.The Jackson Co., FL Jincy Williams is not our Jincy Williams. The dates don’t  work and the Jackson Co., Fl Williams family has verified there is no connection.

Answer 1

NO!  Carrie Jensie Williams, daughter of Andrew Elton Williams and Melissa Underwood, was born August 15, 1854, in Jackson County, Florida.  She married Joshua Hinson, son of Harrison Hinson, Sr., on December 18, 1870, in Butler County, Alabama.  (Joshua's brother, Harrison Hinson, Jr., was my great grandfather.)

I am 72 years old and was born, lived in, and attended church in the same area where Oscar Elton Hinson, Joshua's and Jensie's firstborn son, lived.  I vaguely remember Oscar, who died in 1955 when I was about 11 years old,  and know two of his grandchildren very well.  Joshua and Jensie, and Oscar and his wife, Florence Worthington, are all buried in the Pleasant Grove Methodist Church cemetery in Hinson's Crossroads, in Washington County, Florida.

Since Jensie wasn't even born until 1854, she obviously could NOT have been mother to John Dorman's children who were born PRIOR to 1854.

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I am sure that this absolutely answers part of my question- Jensie/Jincy Williams who married John Dorman ( sometimes he is listed as John T. Dorman - that is his son) of Baker County, FL  is not a part of  of the Willisms family of Jackson County. Thank you so much for that answer.

Our next quest. Who is Jensie/Jincy Williams who married John Dorman who lived in Baker County. Is Williams a married or a maiden name?

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Jincy Williams married my GG Grandfather John Dorman.

Jerry is my G Grandfather, Monthon or Tholon Dorman is my Grandfather

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John C Dorman is my 4th G grandfather.  I am trying to find information on his father.  In the beginning of this article it states that John C Dorman was born in Ireland to a seaman.  How did you come about that information? I have been stuck on John for quite some time and can not find anything about him or his father.

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That information came from a BCPress article on line.

SOURCE:  The Baker County Press , 1965,66 From Out Of Our Past   By Gene Barber     WEBSITE:http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~flbakehs/ourpast.html

 

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I found a picture of Jerry and Ellen Dorman at Heritage Park in Macclenny, FL.  Also, found this information on Jerry Dorman at Floridamemory.com :

J. M  Dorman- FL (Jeremiah  "Jerry" M  Dorman )

• Born  January 2, 1850, in Florida; died  January 8, 1927-buried Cedar Creek, married  Ellen Harvey 1854-1926. 

His father, John Dorman, has been listed as a deserter but someone may have mixed up J. M. as John rather his son, Jeremiah.

• Mattie Davis, Jerry's  sister,  is the witness: 1923-J. M. Dorman is 74 yrs old (birth year would be 1849/50).He wasmustered in -1864 in Sanderson-age 15)

• Letter verifying that he served at Olustee and is not a deserter  by J Z Wiggins, a CSA soldier from Columbia Co.

J M Dorman proved in 1923 that he was in the FL 8th unit for pension payments at floridamemory.com..  It was possibly Jeremiah M Dorman, the son, in service and not John.

Answer 2

As of March 2020, this is the answer to Jincey Dorman and  her maiden name: Long. The question was answered on facebook::

Jincey Long Dorman answer by Judy  Fraser Long  & my response 3/27/20 on 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=119024469719113&id=106021494352744'

INFORMATION Posted:

Sp: JIncey  Long (who was also 17). 

"THE FAMILY TREE OF JOHN DORMAN, SANDERSON AREA PIONEER

ARE YOU A DESCENDENT OF JOHN DORMAN?"

Another source: "Long" is also listed as his mother's maiden name on  the death certificate of Jincey/John's son J.M. "Jeremiah/Jerry Dorman".

Answer 3

John Dorman's (1828-1905) wife was Jincy Long (ca 1828- ), born in the Florida Territory. John and Jincy were married ca 1845 in Florida.

That his wife was Jincy Long and NOT Jincy Williams is attested to in the death certificate of their son Jeremiah M Dorman.

 See (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FP4L-DJ4 : 9 March 2018), J. M. Dorman, 08 Jan 1927; citing Sanderson, Baker, Florida, reference CN1850; FHL microfilm 2,135,208.