Looking for the connection to the turner family Gloucester motto esse quam. Vidiri Thomas turner esq of spa villa died 1850 Gloucester he has a window in his honor at Gloucester cathedral. With family motto esse quam vidira , after his death 1850 his private library was sold his seal was a lion this is the deal of the oxfordshire turner family . Sir Edward turner was also from , this family in Gloucester . I hoping some on know the history of these two family's . Thomas turner father was john turner esq banker of Gloucester married Hester smyth 1777 she was the daughter of Thomas smyth and ann broughton . John turner father was john turner b 1711 Gloucester married ann warren of twying gloucester. She was daughter of Thomas warren and ann fletcher of twying . Other daughter Hester married warren hasting . But for all my searching unable to find john turner sr father or mother in Gloucester . Or connect the family with oxford turner s
