Wikipedia linking with wikidata.

Question

I did first biography checking. There are 10.037.400 nonempty public biographies.

I checked for presence of WIKIPEDIA in bio. It is present in 25.566 profiles. If that word is present, it is likely that profile is profile of a person in Wikipedia and can have WikiData link. cca 1500 of them already have WikiData link. so there are 24000 more possible profiles to be linked to wikiData. I will create some tool to link these profiles. 

Wikidata has 3552 links to wikitree. There are already 14 unconnected links. Some are created after database dump. Some are too young, and some are errors. Magnus will probably recheck those, but it is something, that will need constant checking due to merges.

WikiData,WikitreeID
Q20107429,Bernadotte-54
Q22997937,Bernadotte-55
Q23891303,Bernadotte-57
Q533403,Bowes-Lyon-2
Q4988701,Hellqvist-30
Q90243,http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lenel-2
Q104372,Kappelhoff-10
Q5560442,Knutsson_Drake_af_Intorp-1
Q26101945,Nicolson-220
Q52925,Of_Sweden-51
Q265021,Paris-692
Q276526,Von_Habsburg-1
Q81438,Walter Whitman

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Great Aleš

1. The Bernadotte I have created this week. I am trying to document graves and get the House of Bernadotte set up correct so we have one-one with WikiData see Category:House_of_Bernadotte where I also start playing with adding SPARQL queries to the Category page so that we can see if we have a difference
   
   Q20107429,Bernadotte-54 Ok
   Q22997937,Bernadotte-55 Ok
   Q23891303,Bernadotte-57 Ok
   Q4988701,Hellqvist-30 Ok
    
2. Q90243 fixed Ok
    
3. Q533403 was merged from Bowes-Lyon-2  to Lyon-Bowes-3
   Ok
    
4. Q104372,Kappelhoff-10 Q-1) what is the problem I cant see changes or anything in WIkiTree
   
    
5. Q5560442,Knutsson_Drake_af_Intorp-1
   A merge has been done in WikiTree Ok
   
    
6. Q26101945,Nicolson-220 Q-5) what is the problem
    
7. Q52925,Of_Sweden-51Q-4) what is the problem
    
8. Q265021,Paris-692  Q-2) what is the problem
    
9. Q276526,Von_Habsburg-1 Q-3) what is the problem
     
10. Q81438,Walter Whitman 
    Fixed

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http://www.wikitree.com/g2g/278182/categories-knights has video how to link to wikidata by Magnus Sälgö and Aleš Trtnik .

I am adding some Edmonstone's now to wikidata. JPVIV

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 Kappelhoff-10 was mergerd to Kappelhof-19.

Nicolson-220 was created 3 days ago.

Of_Sweden-51 was mergerd to Bernadotte-52.

Paris-692 was created 3 days ago.

Von_Habsburg-1 was merged to Habsburg-121.

I also found error report on wikidata side, that might be looked into.:

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P2949

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Thanks 

Cool report you found

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P2949

Hm person is fictional....

Lesson learned is from my playing around in WikiData land that structured data and genealogy is a must. And a query interface is a must. So far using RDF seems to meet all requirements. 

Right now I map a cemetery using coordinates of graves. Really cool 

https://query.wikidata.org/embed.html#%23%20Query%20Find%20in%20WikiData%20people%20with%20Place%20of%20Burial%20Q252312%20Norra%20Begravningsplatsen%0A%23%20Show%20Wikitree%20ID%2C%20Find%20A%20Grave%20ID%20and%20if%20picture%20of%20the%20grave%20exist%0A%23defaultView%3AMap%0Aselect%20%20%3Fperson%20%3FpersonLabel%20%20%3FpersonDescription%20%20%3Fgraveplot%20%3Fcoord%20%3Fpic%20%3FpicGrave%20%3FWikiTree%20%3FFindAGrave%7B%0A%7B%0A%09%3Fperson%20wdt%3AP119%20wd%3AQ252312%3B%20%23Place%20of%20burial%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20p%3AP119%20%5B%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20pq%3AP965%20%3Fgraveplot%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20pq%3AP625%20%3Fcoord%5D.%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fperson%20wdt%3AP2949%20%3FWikiTreeID%20.%7D%20%09%09%09%23%20If%20we%20have%20a%20WikiTree%20profile%0A%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fperson%20wdt%3AP535%20%3FFindAGraveID%20.%7D%20%09%09%23%20If%20we%20have%20a%20FindAGrave%20ID%0A%20%20%20OPTIONAL%7B%20%3Fperson%20wdt%3AP18%20%3Fpic%20.%7D%20%09%09%09%09%09%23%20If%20we%20have%20an%20illustration%0A%20%20%20OPTIONAL%7B%20%3Fperson%20wdt%3AP1442%20%3FpicGrave%20.%7D%20%09%09%09%23%20If%20we%20have%20a%20picture%20of%20the%20grave%0A%20%20%20BIND%20%28URI%28CONCAT%28%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.findagrave.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Ffg.cgi%3Fpage%3Dgr%26df%3Dall%26GRid%3D%22%2C%3FFindAGraveID%29%29%20AS%20%3FFindAGrave%29%0A%20%20%20BIND%20%28URI%28CONCAT%28%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikitree.com%2Fwiki%22%2C%3FWikiTreeID%29%29%20AS%20%3FWikiTree%29%20%20%0A%20%7D%20%20%20%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22%2C%22sv%22%7D%0A%20%7D%0AOrder%20by%20%3FpersonLabel

 

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You're amazing, Aleš!

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I really like what's being done here with WikiData.

WikiData limits the type of persons that can be added, right? Too bad. Otherwise it could become a great platform for linking profiles among all genealogy websites.

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@Justin I agree 

After playing around with SPARQL and RDF its what we need to do better genealogy. Support for coordinates, generating reports and start linking data....

Restrictions

Yes there are rules for who to add to Wikipedia and WikiData will contain all Wikipedia people plus related people.... 

BUT Wikidata is from Wikibase and someone can set up a new instance is my understanding....

Maybe time for a platform upgrade... feels like many things will be much easier to implement in a structured database.... 

Question is who has the knowledge and the resources....

Space:Wikidata

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@Magnus You might consider discussing the topic with RootsDev. Many people in that community would be interested in this topic.

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Wikidata has I>3 rule for item to exists, so if FS (they have a property but almost no data), FindAGrave, Genealogics and Wikitree and some other sites have a person, it can get WikiData ID. This might mean, that in future All Wikitree,... items will be on WikiData. We will see.

There is also a possibility to donate data to WikiData via https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/. Notes on who can contribute data https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/GLAM_ID_matching But it is a question if Wikitree can donate data. It would definitely populate relation links in Wikidata. Chris will have to look into this.

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Looks like a good start is that we connect WikiTree and FindAGrave with a field in Wikitree and/or a FindAGRave Template with 

1. FindAGraveID
2. GPS Coordinates of Grave
3. Plot name
4. Churchyard ID (maybe)...
5. If a Picture of the Grave has been requested (maybe we could include a template in the template just to easy track open requests..... when the request is done we change a parameter and the request templates is gone....)

Did some playing around last week with the Iphone app to FindAGrave and they have

1. Good definition of churchyards
2. Structured fields for 
   1. Unique ID (used in WikiData P
   2. Name 
      1. Prefix
      2. First
      3. Middle
      4. Maiden
      5. Last
      6. Suffix
      7. Nickname
   3. Birth
   4. Death
   5. Relations
      1. Father
      2. Mother
      3. +Spouse(s)
         1. Year married
   6. Burial plot
   7. GPS location burial place (support in the app to add easy) latitude/longitude WGS84
   8. Marker transcription
   9. Bio (free text)
   10. Famous - flag if the person is famous
3. Upload 4 pictures per profile

Screen dumps FindAGrave app when I add coordinates to Grave #887 and WikiData Q1938740

 

Add a GPS coordinates
in the FindAGrave Appp

 

GPS Added and you can click on the coordinates to 
get a map and how to go there....

Below how the map in Iphone tells me where to go to 
coordinates 59.35468, 18.0313

Find A Grave is owned by Ancestry

• Video Christa Cowen about the app
• Video Find A Grave 101 - 116 million tumbstones
• Community Forum Find A Grave
• Find a Grave apps
• Find a Grave engineering 2014

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Video running the Find A Grave on a Iphone

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@Aleš

that in future All Wikitree,... items will be on WikiData. We will see.

The vision of Internet 3.0 by Tim Berner Lee is that you have a loosely coupled system ==> 

1. Profiles can be on more places but we define that WikiTree Rubens-1 is the same as Wikidata Q5599
    
2. Searches are federated ==> you search more end-points link

Good TED speach by Tim Berner Lee the founder of Internet: the 5 stars of open linked data

 

If we look at WikiTree my opinion is that we now have 5 stars

 

★	make your stuff available on the web (whatever format)
★★	make it available as structured data (e.g. excel instead of image scan of a table)
★★★	non-proprietary format (e.g. csv instead of excel)
★★★★	use URLs to identify things, so that people can point at your stuff
★★★★★	link your data to other people’s data to provide context

 

★	WikiTree - Check
★★	WikiTree - Check we have machine readable profiles See Rubens-1 would be nice if the WikiData template generated html telling the requester that this data is the same as Q5599
★★★	WikiTree - Check
★★★★	WikiTree - Check URI www.wikitree.com/wiki/Rubens-1
★★★★★	WikiTree - Check we have the WikiTreeID at WikiData  maybe soon also a FindAGraveID in WikiTree

Answer 1

Is there a tutorial for how to use Wikidata?

I have a number of profiles with links to Wikipedia articles about them (for instance http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Riviere-108), but I have no idea how to use Wikidata.

Comments

I am blogging a lot so the question is what you need to know... easiest is maybe to have a Google webhangout ==> salgo1960@gmail.com

1. Start to create an account in Wikidata/Wikipedia see page Create Account
2. To add a WikiTree Attribute See video...

 

• My Blog has a lot of WikiData searches....
• I also have a youtube channel with videos related to WikiData and WikiTree....
   
• My project just now is to document all famous people on a churchyard in Stockholm Sweden ==> 
  • I mark all graves with geo coordinates in Wikidata FindAGrave etc...  ==> WikiData query that plot grave coordinates
  • Take pictures of the graves ==> WikiData has a special field for grave pictures ==> list of graves pictures from this cemetery
    
    
      

 

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Video https://youtu.be/TRoMBnbfCgQ

• Query examples SPARQL_Query_Examples
• Wikipedia Henry_de_la_River
• WikiData Q21932459

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If I am understanding this, you created  a link FROM WikiData TO WikiTree, but there is no link FROM WikiTree TO WikiData.

 

Is that right?

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That is correct. We are still deciding on how to use it on Wikitree side.

One way is for Chris to implement it internally within wikitree, second is by using templates.

For my error checking, it doesn't really matters, where it is stored. Also for some custom queries in SPARQL it is enough to be stored there, since everything can be done there (Magnus examples).

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Yes and no

I asked if should have a Template:WikiReasonator with the WikiData object in it but no feedback.... see G2G

What can be done is use a tool like PetScan and run a query like below and ask WikiData for a WikiData/Wikipedia article with a specific WikiTreeID

• https://goo.gl/aCgRtJ find WikiTreeID "Rubens-1"
• https://goo.gl/URXYZZ find WikiTreeID "Riviere-108"

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OK, I did another one (my father).

I also fixed an error in WIkidata, which said he died in New York City.

Let me know if this is right

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._B._Gunn

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gunn-900

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q710883

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Yes looks great!!!

I feel WikiTree and WikiData will benefit from linking.... and using the Query language inside Wikidata is magic....

Query find other people member of Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers IEEE

• query
• Result Image gallery
• Table
• Map

 

Big Pic

  

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You can also add 

1. Place of Burial P199
   1. Add as qualifier
      1. Burial Plot reference P965
      2. Coordinates of location P625
2. Picture of the Grave P1442

The reasonator view Wikidata Q710883

As this is your father I think it's no problem for you to create a Wikidata profile for yourself as a child to him .....  

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He was cremated and we scattered his ashes.

But SOMEONE created a Find-A-Grave entry for him.  I have just entered that in WikiData too.

Answer 2

As we have REDIRECT I don't see it as a problem from a conceptual point of view ==>

If WikiTree object yyyy is redirected to WikiTree object xxx we say that yyyy is the same as xxx

===>

Wikidata Object zzzz is the same as WikiTree Object yyyy that is redirected to the same WikiTree object xxx  

Problem I assume is that the only way to see something in WikiTree is the same as another profile you need to read the Bio and look after the #REDIRECT tag....

Suggestion is that WikiTree has a machine readable Redirect field just 

Comments

Those are not broken links, but there are no redirects in database dumps. If I want to do data checking on such profiles, it has to be updated. Merged profiles just don't exists in dump. My guess is that number of merges will decrease, as profiles are improved. but for now, there is a lot of cleaning to do.

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Merci then its a problem until Wikitree get the redirect in a structured field and in the dump....

Best would be if we also in Wikitree could see that the WikitreeID was set in Wikipedia/Wikidata.... for a profile...

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At the moment it could be only done by template.

Answer 3

Here is the list off all profiles, that have WIKIPEDIA text in the bio.

http://www.softdata.si/osebe_staro/ales/wikitree/Wikipedia.htm

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Looks excellent. I am out shopping right now but looks like I can use it to check with Wikidata and hopefully update Wikidata from a program. Lesson learned so far is that some Wikipedia links goes just to a Wikipedia article about the family. As Wikidata is a superset of Wikipedia it would be best if WikiTree linked to Wikidata.

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I agree that Wikipedia template could be replaced by WikiData template, where wikidata for the person exists. Often relatives profiles are all linked to Wikipedia of a famous person. We need to discuss this further.

I also prepared a query, that lists all relatives without WikitreeID of a person with WikitreeID. These relatives can be also linked to wikidata, if they have Wikitree profile.

http://tinyurl.com/j5l6m82

Answer 4

With Magnus we wrote some basic information about WikiData.

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Wikidata

It will also be updated as things change.

Answer 5

Wikidata get stronger support direct from Wikimedia Foundation

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/10/04/supporting-the-future-of-wikidata/