Where does Funderburk genealogy actually start?

Question

The Funderburk, Funderbunk or Funderburgh family who apparently settled in South Carolina have as an ancestor someone called Princess Elizabeth Ann of Berg, sometimes she is the wife of Adolph von der Burg, and at others she is the wife of their son John Michael (or Johann Michel von der Burg) this time under the name Elizabeth Ann Weilheim where presumably Weilheim is a misreading of her putative father's second name of Wilhelm?

Either way she mostly ends up the daughter of Philipp Wilhelm, Elector von der Pfalz and his wife Elisabeth Amalie Magdalene of Hesse-Darmstadt.  However their family is very well documented and there is no Elizabeth Ann amongst them, nor any daughter who married into the 'von der Burg' family.  All of their surviving daughters married into royal families, so a marriage to a possible member of the nobility would be highly unusual.

Articles such as this are so bad at confusing names and titles, that I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

So does anyone have reliable information on the Funderburk family, so there can be some decision made on whether Elizabeth Ann actually has a real name or can be marked as questionable and detached from her presumed parents?  Or where the family actually starts?  I haven't looked into the Von der Burg part of this lineage, but I have doubts about them as well.

I notice on one profile for a son or grandson there is a Daughters of the Revolution Index Number Mirin123?

(I haven't contacted the profile managers at this stage, because it looks like they are no longer active on Wikitree, and I know lots about European Aristocracy but next to nothing about emigrants to the USA)

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Found an article about the original(self) publication of the book(1975)  That appears to be sole source of this pedigree. The article repeats the emigration story and also a little about  the grandson who fought in the American War of independence.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=348&dat=19750803&id=L_pMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LTMDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2343,144994&hl=en

 

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Seems like the main thing to know about immigrants is that there's no limit to the breathtaking audacity of the fairy stories.

Since we've got the name Von der Burg freely attached to a bunch of counts who were never called any such thing, you have to wonder if that was really the immigrant's name and if there really was a German family of that name.  Renaming a borrowed family doesn't seem that uncommon in this genre.

There's a Dutch name, van der Burgh, but maybe not aristocratic enough.

Perhaps this should be on the other thread.

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Thanks Helen and RJ

I could see only snippets of the book mentioned in the article 'Funderburk Castles and Conquests' via Google Books, but you're right Helen it does seem to be the source of the pedigree.

Of course Jan Willem (or John William) and his brother Charles Philip were real people, they were just better known under their major title Elector Palatine, rather than as Dukes of Berg.  But the sister or half-sister Elizabeth Ann is a complete fabrication.  The Dukedom of Berg, passed to the next Wittelsbach heir, so even if Elizabeth Ann did exist her sons would have had no rights to succeed.

The snippet of the book I saw also mentioned the Counts of Berg (or Bergen) which did descend to a Hohenzollern prince, but this was again a completely different family.

I definitely leaning to the thought that the Von der Burgs were also fabricated.

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Good day.

I want to note that the family "von der Burg", which was also written as "von der Burgk", settled next to the Schlossburg fortress at the end of the 16th century. It was Engelbert von der Burg and his wife Сatharina. They fled, saving their lives, from the terror of the Duke of Alba from the Spanish Netherlands, where their clan was known for a long time.
Later, because of the danger of hostilities, they moved to the neighboring town of Lennep, where their children were then born - Heinrich, Johann and Engelbert.
Heinrich and his posterity remained in Lennep, and Johann moved to Leipzig. From him there were numerous descendants settled in Germany, Estonia, Russia.

The coat of arms of this family is two silver towers on a red background and 2 black crows (or alpine daws) on a yellow background. This emblem was received personally by two brothers - Engelbert and Johann in 1658 from King Leopold.
This coat of arms is listed on the Internet as the coat of arms of Funderburk, so you need to decide whether the coat of arms is not Funderburk or their origin is from the Spanish Netherlands, since the circumstances of receiving this coat of arms and the person who received it are known precisely and reliably.

No visible connection with the graphs of Berg in this family has yet been found.

Answer 1

DNA confirm funderburk thru Hesse-Darmstadt Thru Curtis DNA test

My moms cousin Kay DNA test confirms lineage family tree as well

Mine will too when comes in

Leave family tree alone don't disconnect anything DNA doesn't lie :)

Check Wikipedia hugs

What if different royal name on princess and VonDerBerg

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Thanks Lori, does the DNA just confirm that the family comes from the area of Hesse-Darmstadt?  If it's confirming a relationship to the Landgraves of Hesse-Darmstadt, what is it being compared to?

As I've written above there seems to be no reliable recognised sources that place Elizabeth Ann as a  child of these royal families.

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Click Curtis lackey DNA results it tell there

On Elizabeth berg page

Princess ALIX Romanov confirms landgrave Thru DNA and Elizabeth berg too

I did relationship finder said 9th grandniece I forgot which landgrave it was

Mine be ready October 12th

I'll let u know what it says

My guess that's not her name but she someone royal child

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Lori I'm not a dna expert but my understanding is that only dna tested solely through female or male lines can be used to work out relationships that far back.  Autosomal dna that Curtis Lackey has used is only a general guide and only for 4 or 5 generations back.

The only reason that the Dna of Alix of Hesse-Darmstadt is listed on that page is because at the moment Elizabeth Ann von Berg is still attached to her presumed parents.

However as I said I'm no expert in this area, so I've added a Dna tag to this question and perhaps someone who is, will add to this discussion.

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Me either Haha

Ask Peter Roberts he's expert on DNA

I know correct mom be royal princess

You do great John hugs

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Hello Lori,

Where in WikiTree does DNA confirm Funderburk through Hesse-Darmstadt through Curtis DNA test?

DNA confirmation needs to have the evidence to allow independent verification. This is similar to a citation describing where a record for a birth, marriage, or a will can be found.

Thanks and sincerely, Peter

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Berg-1141 it's on her profile

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Unfortunately this is not yet confirmed because so far there is only one mtDNA tester in WikiTree for the direct maternal line which  http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Berg-1141 belongs to.

A very distant direct maternal line cousin of

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hesse-Darmstadt-7

needs to have a mtDNA test (which matches) to confirm that this direct maternal line is accurate.

Sincerely, Peter

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My results be October 12th

I choose $69 FTDNA test

Does this mean my tree be disconnected?

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Peter and Lori, as I've stated above I firmly believe that Elizabeth Ann is not related to the family she is currently attached to, based on the fact that there are no reliable sources to indicate such an attachment.

Given that Berg-1141 seems to only have had 1 son, there is no chance of a mtDNA test being compared to Hesse-Darmstadt-7?

Lori, I think in the interests of accuracy, we should disconnect her from her current parents, but could indicate that at this stage her parents are unknown, but may be from a royal or noble family.

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Hi john

Will this help

Elizabeth Anna VonPfalz Neuburg

let me check family search

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Y-DNA testing available to males that have passed the Y chromosome from father to son. I am the Administrator for the Vanderburg/Funderburgh Surname Project. I invite any male with any of the variations of this surname, Vonderburg, Funderburk, Funderburgh, there are others to join our project and submit a sample for testing. As for Autosomal testing, this only matches cousins to around 5th. Y-DNA carries the same male line back to find a common ancestor in ancient times. 

This project is listed under Family Tree DNA. Since there is not a proven paperwork trail to our ancient ancestors, Y-DNA is the only option open to us. Even if you descended thru this surname by a female, a male cousin, brother or father test sample will work.