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Small things matter, and the way they are presented may make all the difference in the way the information is realized. Thank you for your contributions, big or small, for they do make a big difference for the ancestors!

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WikiTree profile: EditBot WikiTree
in Appreciation by Living Crum G2G6 Mach 2 (22.3k points)
recategorized by Dorothy Barry

I just wish that an announcement (announcements tag) would have been made before EditBot had been unleashed.

After adding bots to my tags, I am now following 9 non-surname tags, limiting me to 11 surname tags.

My criticisms are of the surprise launch and non-collaborative nature of EditBot's use.

Standardizing categories is ultimately a good policy, but providing better information to those of use who have created categories that we believed to be within standards when we created them should be done before rewording categories.

If we had a Watchlist for the categories we create, we could handle some of the revamping ourselves when tighter or different standards are adopted.

Edit category

Select watch this page

Does this not add to your watchlist?

I've checked that before; but as far as I know, I don't have any categories on my watchlist.

How would it appear in my watchlist, Keith; by first word or last word?

Here is an example of a category I created:

Category:Buckley Cemetery, Jackson County, Ohio

Hard to see on my phone

From watch list tab only shows profiles and free space pages

Back on the category page there is a line on top for limit to watch list...  try that and see if it shows you your watched categories
That link removes from the page's display profiles that aren't on my watchlist.

If you go to my category and click that link, the 2 profiles should no longer be shown to you.
Lindy,

old thread, same topic....

in your browser, try entering

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:Watchlist
I've used that link before, but it doesn't seem to give me all the categories I've created. It just seems to give me categories I watch that have been recently edited.

After clicking the link just now, I see 2 categories edited today and 2 edited on the 15th. Clicking the all link brings up one more category edited on the 6th.

It's no big deal, Keith. I'm sure I've created categories without checking the box to watch them; that is why I don't see them on that link. I wonder if EditBot could find them for me (just kidding) - that would be so wonderful!!
It would be nice if Categories had a tab on the Watchlist page along with Person Profiles and Free-Space Profiles.

The Special:Watchlist would be more useful if it actually listed the Category pages watched instead of just a number watched.
Exactly, Pat. That would be so helpful and save so much time!

I think I mentioned it before myself. Alas, it would probably be costly, too!!

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I like editbot too... good call :)
by Keith Hathaway G2G6 Pilot (637k points)
selected by Charlotte Shockey
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uhm... you know this is a BOT, right?  all part of the db_errors cleanup effort....

the person to thank is Aleš Trtnik, he is the person developing it.

 

by Keith McDonald G2G6 Mach 9 (99.4k points)
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I'm afraid I don't agree. This bot has renamed the category World War II Canadian Veterans to Canada, World War II, completely eliminating the veteran distinction. Apparently being a veteran is being phased out. Why?  I can't see any reason for doing this. 

by Aaron Gullison G2G6 Pilot (184k points)

this bickering about having the word Veteran as part of the category has been going back and forth for over a year.  Do a search fin G2G or several threads, mostly commented on by the same people with the same statements and you will see the reason(s) why the rename is being done.

Category creation was out of hand, within the Military and War Project we were trying to get things standardized, too many people complained (in many cases what it meant to their own profile and not the entire wikitree world) and then we had the categorization project stepping in and we were told to create nothing new, document what we had, where we wanted to go, and submit to them for approval.  That was finally granted last month, and we started doing the work to get categories under our project umbrella into line with the approved by management names and structures.

Standards cannot be rehashed and redone every single time someone complains about it or does not understand the logic of why it needs to be different than what it is now.

The BOT is updating category references in profiles that have been renamed according to the new standards.  I have been working on renaming the categories for the last couple weeks, and I am not done yet.  Several other project members have been manually going to profiles and making the updates, which takes a lot of time, and for closed profiles we have to send a note to the PM asking that they make the required update.

I got in contact with Aleš about the possibility of adding this task to the error report so that people who look at it would see that they need to make changes and perhaps them getting it done that way would reduce the time and effort we have to make to contact them individually.  He went the route of creating a software routine that would accomplish the renames by evaluating the {{Misnamed Categories}} which identify what the new category should be,.  His routine is saving weeks of effort by project members.

Is trusting the Misnamed Categories good?!?!? I understand its an easy approach...

  • Everyone can add the template Misnamed categories also people not understanding the overall structure is my experience
     
  • Wouldnt it be better to create a list with how the structure should look. Defined by the group responsible for a category structure...
in a small way, Misnamed Categories is the list.

The group responsible for the category structure is making the changes required, both from the overall categorization perspective and from the individual projects involved.

Yes, if some member goes out and creates a category on their own, based on their understanding of what something could be, it might be almost right, but not quite there by the standards....  singular vs plural, wrong capitalization, wrong language, etc, and either they see the mistake and fix it, or someone else does it for them. The result is a misnamed category that in the past, sits out here forever.

When someone adds to a category, if it exists, it shows in black on the profile, if not, it shows red.  A category that is not there, after checking for bad spelling, punctuation, etc can also be created until it gets to the point that it is linked to an existing one in the tree.

A misnamed category exists, so it shows in black.  Since it was the name expected, and is there, most people will not actually go to that category to read about it. in some cases, going to the category shows that it is misnamed.  Since the process is manual, you have to go back to the profile and change it to the correct one.

What we have now with the new, approved, category naming/structure is updating thousands of profiles due to standards being changed or enforced. Some simple, like do not use abbreviations, so all of the USA XXXX categories have to change to United States of America, or should be specific to general, so World War II, United States Army, 1st Infantry Division (general to specific) gets renamed 1st Infantry Division, United States Army, World War II.

 

The topic for this thread is thanking a "member" for the amount of work being done by them. I imagine that was generated by him looking at his feed and seeing a lot of changes being made to his profiles by the same account.  Since we are supposed to be a global collaboration, he thought it would be nice to thank that person.  I pointed out that in this case, the "person" was an automated routine and that he should thank the person who created and is running that routine.

Further discussion of why things are being changed should be taken to another thread, not that i look forward to seeing the same issues, which have already been discussed and decided, rehashed yet again either by people who took an opposing view the first couple times and still oppose them, or from new people who were not here when the discussions, decisions and standards were finally agreed upon.
Hi Keith,

Thanks for the good read.

The g2g tags work the same way in that when too many of the wrong ones are used they then show as suggestions and the rest happens as you described.  We expend effort to eliminate them manually but they creep back up over time.  It's a challenge to keep up.

Have a nice day

Seems to me that before changing any profiles someone would have asked Aleš if he could do a search and replace program.  I know I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago to a project member, who was making the changes manually and she was changing a lot more then just the category names.

As to the category names, I will go along with whatever is decided, they certainly needed to be cleaned up. 

 

Editbot is ales' search and replace routine

My point, though off-topic, Keith, is that general membership is unaware and under-informed of these types of style and policy discussions; and the only way to keep updated is to follow the tags (or is there another way, other than receiving endless emails or digging through every WikiTree link?).

I just added categorization to my followed tags, so now I have only 10 surnames that I can follow if I want to stay informed (without excessive effort on my part!).

Most of us just want some reasonable advance notice (as implied by our Honor Code, at least in my opinion) when policy changes have been made and are about to be implemented!

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