DNA comment, can someone translate? [closed]

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I need someone who understand Y DNA to help me with the comment left on this profile.   His note is about Hatcher-46, not 461,. the "1" is actually "I"
WikiTree profile: William Hatcher
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in Genealogy Help by Robin Lee G2G6 Pilot (859k points)
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I believe we'll need Rand Prouse to chime in to fully understand what he meant.

I think there was a typo in the message: Hatcher-461 is female, a Dolly Hatcher, so could have no bearing on the yDNA discussion. I can't find any similarly numbered descendant of William Hatcher, Hatcher-46, so don't know if Rand was referring to this William (b. 1614) instead. That said, William shows no possible yDNA connections on his profile, and Rand and William show no relationship, at least not on WikiTree. The message also mentioned three males with the surname Hicks, but that surname doesn't appear in any of Rand's possible DNA connections here, and only a Mary Polly Hicks (married to a Stovall) appears among any of William Hatcher's descendants.

So I'm drawing a blank as to relevance to William Hatcher.

I could comment in generalities about Y-STR null values, but don't know if it would serve any purpose to Hatcher-46. Rand is correct, though, that multiple nulls is rare; and the number he's talking about--six nulls in the Y-37 panel and an additional eight for a total of 14 at 67 markers--is exceedingly rare...if not possibly unique to a single paternal line.

What isn't uncommon is to see a Y-STR null (deletion) associated with a specific haplogroup. The most common here have historically been DYS425, DYS439, and DYS448. The most studied is probably the DYS425 deletion (FTDNA project here) where--although it does show up in some R subclades--the most prevalent haplogroup by far is E-M35.

by Edison Williams G2G6 Pilot (439k points)
Two members of the Hatcher Y DNA project at FamilyTreeDNA.com have six nulls in their STR values, kit #233616 with the last name of Hatcher and kit #B35870 with the last name of Prouse.  The STR values shown by these kits differ substantially from those shared by the vast bulk of descendants of William "the Immigrant" Hatcher, Hatcher-46.

FWIW, the Hatcher DNA project has STR results of over fifty descendants of Hatcher-46. Many of them match each other exactly. You can see those results here:

http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/DNA-test-table-public.html#Henrico1

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