Sanders/Saunders line needs merging

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I have been working on some of the Sanders/Saunders family to eliminate duplicates and add sources. There is one line that is duplicated for several generations with different spellings – one line is Sanders, the other is Saunders. These families need to be merged into one. It appears to me that the earliest spelling in the family line is Saunders, but would appreciate other eyes. The earliest duplicate is in the 16th century, so needs pre-1700 help. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who is working on the family. The line begins in England and emigrates to Virginia. What name do we use to merge away the duplicates? 

Edward Saunders

Edward Sanders

WikiTree profile: Edward Sanders
in Genealogy Help by Shirley Dalton G2G6 Pilot (533k points)
If there's a source for the emigration bit, you've discovered two new gateway ancestors (Edward III no less).

They're Sanders here, for what that's worth

https://ukga.org/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?action=ViewRec&DB=13&bookID=184&pagecount=86&submit=Previous

But the ancestry doesn't match.

 

If I could just read Latin..... I think they do match, Anna Pendreth and Edw Sanders, son of John Sanders. Checking further.

Berry translated it

http://www.theweald.org/d10.asp?BookId=WBK159&PD=1

but doesn't seem to have added anything.

Chilton and St. Lawrence are now part of Ramsgate.

Berry doesn't seem to have bothered with a Whetenhall pedigree.  There's one in the 1592 Visitation of Kent, vol. 2 (Harleian Soc 75) - only online as a PDF download from BYU, not large.  It says George and Alice (Berkeley) Whetenhall (of Hextall's Court in East Peckham) had a daughter Anne who married John Code of London Merchant.  Nothing about a Sanders.

Thanks for the link to the translation. This is not really my area of expertise so I'm having to learn a lot to find my way around. Grateful for any help.

Hi Shirley: I checked the link to one pedigree posted above.

Not sure if it is relevant as Sanders (Saunders) are rather common names.

 

When surnames were uniformly mandated in 1377 by parliament (poll tax of 1377) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax.  Surnames were a province of the nobility. Commoners were referred to by their physical characterisitics, location or habitational, occupation or patronym.

Patronymic surnames appear in different forms according to the region in which they lived . Thus a predominantly Saxon area would be Sanderson, a Scandanavian area would be Sandersson, a Scottish or Welsh area would be Sanders (ex: Davis means son of David).

Apparently it is aNorwegian: habitational name from any of seven farmsteads so named in southeastern Norway, from the indefinite plural form of Old Norse sandr ‘sand’, ‘sandy plain’, https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=sander

The addition of the "s" (Sander(s)) could be Sanders(son).

Much the same has happened with the surname Tubb, over time in some lines and documents it is spelled Tubbs which could be the possessive sans apostrophe or plural.

A lot of English names are Scandanavian, especially Norse, in origin.

For instance the "by" at the end of a name, refers to a farmstead (which would grow into a village or town) such as Whitby or Gouldsby meaning the farmstead of Whit or Whid) andfarmstead of Gould.

 

 

2 Answers

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You can compare whole branches on WikiTree+

http://wikitree.sdms.si/default.htm?report=ana3&WikiTreeID1=Saunders-1290&WikiTreeID2=Sanders-1802&similarity=50

It can give you the idea of all duplicated profiles.
by Aleš Trtnik G2G6 Pilot (808k points)
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The simple answer is that we use the spelling that the person used, so sources are needed to determine the correct spelling.   See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Name_Fields#Use_their_conventions_instead_of_ours
by Robin Lee G2G6 Pilot (862k points)
Unfortunately, the sources are not consistent. And they vary depending on the generation you are looking at.

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