RESOLVED: Hammonds to America - which is the better source?

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Which is considered the better source of information regarding the specific ship that the Hammond (aka Hamond) family members Elizabeth (mother, wife of William Hammond), children Benjamin, Elizabeth, Martha and Rachel?  The two sources I have found include:

  1. Winthrop Society, listing the names above, without Benjamin.  This source says 4 individuals (minus Benjamin in this case) came on the Francis.  Here is a list of passengers per the Winthrop Society: http://www.winthropsociety.com/ships/francis.htm
  2. A History and Genealogy of the Descendants of William Hammond of London, England and his wife Elizabeth Penn, By Roland Hammond, Published 1894 David Clapp & Son - this source says all 5 Hammonds arrived on the Griffin, in 1634.  Here is a link from Wikitree to a list of the ship passengers, that seems to tie to the verbiage pertaining to Hammonds as well as Lothrops in the identified source: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Griffin%2C_sailed_1634
​I tend to think reference 2 above would be the better to use, but wanted to check with the G2G community.
 
Thank you.

 

WikiTree profile: Benjamin Hammond
in Genealogy Help by S Willson G2G6 Pilot (223k points)
edited by Jillaine Smith
Great Question Sharon!  I have Hammonds in my family but haven't traced them back very far.  My Hammonds were in SC.  Mags
My grandmother is Rebecca Hammond, from Ireland. Moved to Ohio with her husband Frank P. Harper. That is all i can find on my grandmother. I believe she had a sister named Nancy, niece Nancy Jean and brother Alex or Alex.
Thank you for replying Vickie. Sharon

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+6 votes
Hi Sharon,

If you are looking for records for the Hammonds moving to america then please try The National Archives of England ( http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ ) in the passenger lists or shipping manifests. The records are a factual account of people on the ships travelling from the U.K to other places, e.g. America. It can take some time to work through the archives, but it is time well spent.

All the best

Billy
by Billy Wallace G2G6 Pilot (229k points)
Thank you Billy.  That looks like a great source of information.

I spend a short time looking, and I will take a closer look.  Initially I didn't see a list of ships from the 1600's but perhaps I missed it.

Sharon
+5 votes
Hi Sharon,  You don't have to enter information from just one of your sources.  In each biography you could list the information from each source, pointing out the differences between the sources.  If you think one is more likely than the other, that's also fine to mention in the biography.
by Kay Wilson G2G6 Pilot (217k points)
Thank you Kay.  That makes perfect sense, and it didn't even cross my mind to do that.  It sounds like a good solution if I can't quite tell which source I should use. I was thinking that, perhaps, people had found one or the other of these sources more accurate in the past, but it makes more sense to just list it the way you suggested.

Sharon
+5 votes
Both are "right". The Winthrop site, except for the ship, matches the Hammond history. Winthrop has A William Hammond, with his wife, Elizabeth (nee Paine), and their 8 children arriving in 1630. Benjamin Hammond-355 .has been incorrectly attached to this family. In the Hammond history, it indicates his father was deceased, and there are only 4 children, and his mother's maiden name was Penn. She was the aunt of William Penn, the Quaker.
by Bob Keniston G2G6 Pilot (263k points)

Thank you, Robert.  That information certainly helps to clear things up.  It makes me wonder about 3 additional questions:

  1. Do you know which ship the Hammonds with their 8 children arrived on?
  2. Do you have a reference for the Hammond history that I might look at?
  3. Do you have further information about Benjamin (hammond -355) that would be helpful to try to track him down?

Update: I did find this source, and perhaps that would be what you would recommend to research Benjamin's family further:A History and Genealogy of the Descendants of William Hammond of London 

Sharon

The William of London book has a lot of detail and is a good place to start.  However, I'm finding inaccuracies/disproven claims in it, too.

One important point: I think it is correct that the family from Lavenham who settled in Watertown are not related to our Benjamin Hammond.

(I think the Penn connection was also disproven within the last few decades, but I'm not sure where. Does anyone know?)

In reading through various sources, among them, The genealogy of the family of Horatio Hammond..., History and genealogies of the Hammond families in America, and A History and Genealogy of the Descendants of William Hammond of London..., I have found so much that disagrees with itself, especially concerning Elizabeth being a Penn who was sister/daughter of Sir William Penn.  The dates just don't seem to match up. 

So, I feel like I'm back where I started with Benjamin: no real certainty as to who his parents were, and which ship he arrived to the USA on.  Oh well :)

The Winthrop Society doesn't specify the the ship, but does say William arrived in 1630 with the Winthrop fleet.

The "History and Genealogy of the Descendants of William Hammond" by Roland Hammond is avilable for free on Google Books.
Thank you Robert. In the listing I looked at for the Winthrop 1630 ships, I could only find a Mrs. Phillipa Hammond.  I guess there must be another list somewhere.
At the bottom of the Settlers page, select H. William is right after Phillippa.
+6 votes

Anderson (Great Migration Begins, p 853) says the Hammond family came to New England in at least three stages:

1.     William Hammond the father came on the Lyon in late 1631.

2.     William Hammond Jr sailed in one of the ships that arrived in the fall of 1633, possibly with sister Anne and brother Thomas (because they are not listed on:)

3.      Spring 1634 from Ipswich on the Francis: Elizabeth Hammond, 47; Elizabeth Hammond (15); Sarah Hammond (10); John Hammond (7). [Hotten 279]

Anderson does not include Benjamin Hammond as a member of this family.

by Jillaine Smith G2G6 Pilot (907k points)

NOTE: 

There were two William Hammonds with wife Elizabeth. The one above was William Hammond of Lavenham who married there Elizabeth PAINE. 

The second William Hammond did not emigrate; his widow Elizabeth PENN Hammond *did*; she was the mother of Benjamin, Elizabeth, Martha and Rachel. Source: Connecticut Nutmegger, 21(1988):171, citing the 1894 Roland Holland work mentioned elsewhere in this thread. 

AND that same Nutmegger article, p 172, indicates that Elizabeth PENN was NOT sister of Sir William Penn, founder of Pennsylvania.

A 1755 "memorandum" book of one Elnathan Hammond, transcribed in Philip Battell, “Descendants of Benjamin Hammond,” in NEHGR 30(1876) indicates that the widow Elizabeth (Penn?) Hammond of London, came over in 1634 with her young children (including Benjamin and the daughters) on the same ship as Rev. Lothrop.

There is also an article about the Hammonds of Rehoboth and Swansea in NEHGRegister v. 149 (1995).

Really folks, if you have colonial New England ancestors, you really should be members of NEHGS. Their annual fee is totally worth it for the quality of information you can get through their web site.
Thanks very much for the information and sources Jilliane.

I have been considering becoming a member of NEHGS for some time; your comments have just nudged me to not wait any longer on it.  Thank you :)
+4 votes

I've been trying to sort out the interconnected sources regarding Benjamin's origins.  Here's what I've come up with so far:

  • The granddaddy of all sources is a private Memorandum Book kept by Captain Elnathan Hammond (1703-1793), grandson of Benjamin, written roughly between 1755-1781, excerpted in NEHGR 30 (1876).

Unfortunately, in his book, Elnathan reports at least two things as fact (enthusiastically, in great detail) that we now know to be wrong:

  1. That Elizabeth was a sister/aunt of the famous Penns. Disproved 1900 in NEHGR 54.
  2. That Rev. John Lothrop was talking about Benjamin's mother when he wrote, "Elizabeth Hammon, my sister" in church records in Scituate in 1636. Disproved 1995 by Anderson.

#2 creates a further problem, since Elnathan appears to be the original source for the claim that Elizabeth, Benjamin, and his three sisters sailed on the Griffin: "in the same ship or vessel with that worthy Minister Mr. John Lothrop". We now know Lothrop wasn't their minister, so the sailing is also questionable.

Here are the major sources on Benjamin that I know of, in chronological order because that matters:

  • Battell, Philip. "Descendants of Benjamin Hammond", The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 30. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1876, pp. 28-32. Digital image on Google Books and archive.org.
  • Hammond, Roland. A history and genealogy of the descendants of William Hammond of London, England and his wife Elizabeth Penn: through their son Benjamin of Sandwich and Rochester, Mass., 1600-1894. Boston: David Clapp & Son, Printers, 1894. Digital image on Ancestry.com.

Both of these are based on Elnathan's book and reproduce his two errors. Roland does an otherwise thorough job sorting out the Lavenham/Watertown Hammonds from Benjamin's family whom he calls "William of London". Also, Roland Hammond states that there were no records kept of daughters in the famous Penn family, i.e., nothing to disprove Elnathan, as of 1894.

  • Lea, J. Henry, Esq. "Genealogical Gleanings among the English Archives", The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 54. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1900, 325-9. Digital image on Google Books.

Penn baptism records found, including daughters, no Elizabeth.

  • Hammond, Frederick Stam. History and Genealogies of the Hammond Families in America: with an Account of the Early History of the Family in Normandy and Great Britain, 1000-1902, Volume 1. Oneida, N.Y.: Ryan & Burkhart, Printers, 1902, pp. 565-7. Digital image on Ancestry.com and archive.org.

F.S. Hammond acknowledges the famous-Penns error here, but says, "It is probable that her name was Elizabeth Penn, however, as there exists no satisfactory reason for doubting the general accuracy of the record kept by Capt. Elnathan Hammond and his father."

  • Anderson, Robert Charles. The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England, 1620-1633, Volume 2, G-O. Boston: New England Historical and Genealogical Society, 1995, pp. 853-4. Digital image on Ancestry.com.

This is the profile for the Lavenham/Watertown Hammonds, and Anderson shows that Rev. Lothrop's 1636 reference to "Elizabeth Hammon, my sister" was referring to a member of the Watertown family, not Benjamin's mother.

  • There's a Genealogy of the Family of Horatio Hammond which I haven't seen; he's apparently descended from the Lavenham/Watertown Hammonds.

Here's the remaining problem. I've looked for sources other than Elnathan to corroborate any of the following claims and I cannot find any - they all go back to Elnathan one way or another:

  • That Benjamin's parents were named William and Elizabeth
  • That Elizabeth's maiden name was Penn
  • That they were from London (and "left a good estate" there)
  • That Benjamin had sisters Elizabeth, Martha and Rachel
  • That they sailed on the Griffin
  • That Elizabeth and the sisters came to New England at all
  • That Elizabeth died in Boston and was buried there in 1640

I'm happy to trust Captain Elnathan on matters that occurred during his lifetime, but the second-hand tales of his grandparents who died in his infancy, and his great-grandparents who died decades before his father, their grandson, was even born, I'm much less inclined to accept on the Captain's word alone given the errors. It sounds more like a mythology than a genealogy.

Finally, in my searchings, I found a hint in Anderson:

  • Anderson, Robert Charles. The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England, 1620-1633, Volume 2, G-O. Boston: New England Historical and Genealogical Society, 1995, p. 1280.
John Hardy, who arrived 1634, had a servant named Benjamin Hammon. Benjamin was involved in a court case (presumably in Salem) in 1640 and as a result was sentenced to serve Hardy for an additional year.  F.S. Hammond reports the first record of Benjamin is found in Yarmouth in 1643. Yarmouth is not really near Salem, so it's tenuous, but the timing makes it interesting.
by Cheryl Hammond G2G6 Mach 3 (33.6k points)

New and improved bio for Benjamin Hammond is complete.

Yee hah and... YOWZER! That's intense!

I wonder if the entire Disputed Origins section should be put into one of those wonderful, Rob Ton scrolling boxes. Do you know about those Cheryl?

AND:

GREAT WORK! THANK YOU!

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