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Agatón Ramírez (Asturias) de Bierzo (812 - 866)

Agatón Ramírez "Gaton Conde de Vierzo" de Bierzo formerly Asturias aka de Asturias
Born in Vierzo, León y Castillamap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 54 in Vierzo, León y Castillamap
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Biography

Gaton de Bierzo is, according to a sourced from the early 14th century, the brother of Ordoño, King of Asturias, and therefore the son of Ramiro I Bermudez[1]. He married Egilona. Children:

  1. Vermudo
  2. Savarico, Bishop of Mondoñedo
  3. Ermesinda, wife of Hermenegildo Gutiérrez
  4. Patruina.

Conde de Placencia e Monsom

Sources

  1. Vermudo: Charles Cawley, Medieval Lands, Asturias, Leon Kings, Chap. 1 Kings of Asturias. Accessed Sept 2018




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Vierzo, aka Bierzo is and was in León, Castilla y León Spain...not in Portugal
posted by Sharon Richards
Del Bierzo y de Asturias-1 and Asturias-46 appear to represent the same person because: same mother, wife and child
posted by Robin Lee
Or, perhaps was Agaton one of those early bastards, born before dad was legit?
posted by Isaac Taylor
If he was born in 812, 18 years before his brother Ordono... then why was Ordono the next king, when their father died?

Seems likely our birthdate is wrong.

Cawley gives Ordono as b. 830 and d. 866.

Cawley gives this Agaton as d. 6 Jun 878.

Can we infer that Agaton MUST have been born after Ordono (>830) or he would have been king? Or was Asturias a non-primo or elective monarchy in this era?

posted by Isaac Taylor
Can we remove Penrose.org and Ancestry (trees) as irrelevant here?
posted by Isaac Taylor
Cawley gives the children as:

i) VERMUDO Gatónez . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Conde.

ii) SAVARICO (-922). His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated 25 Jun 927 under which “Patruina” donated “villas...in territorio Asturiense...Parias...Edia...quinta racione qui fuit de iermano nostro dive memorie domno Sauarigo episcopo” to [his sister´s son] “nepto meo domno Rudesindo episcopo”[175]. Bishop of Mondoñedo [906].

iii) ERMESINDA Gatónez. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. A charter dated 23 Dec 927 records donations by “Gutier Menendiz comes…cum coniuge sua domna Ylduara” to the monastery of Santa María de Loyo and specifies that he was son of “domne Ermesende comitisse”[176]. m ([865]) conde HERMENEGILDO Gutiérrez, son of GUTIERRE --- & his wife Elvira --- (-after 912). A charter dated 6 Jun 878 records judgment in the court of “domini...Adephonsi principis...vel judicum Gatoni et Hermigildi” confirmed the possession of “villa Vimineta”, populated by “comite Gaton” during the reign of “domni Ordonii”[177].

iv) PATRUINA Gatónez (-after 25 Jun 927). His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated 25 Jun 927 under which “Patruina” donated “villas...in territorio Asturiense...Parias...Edia...quinta racione qui fuit de iermano nostro dive memorie domno Sauarigo episcopo” to [his sister´s grandson] “nepto meo domno Rudesindo episcopo”[178].

Unfortunately his HTML indents Savarico, so some folks might think he's the son of (his brother) Vermudo. The enumeration clarifies.

posted by Isaac Taylor
Gaton of Viero, Count-1 and Asturias-46 appear to represent the same person because: "Gaton of Viero, Count" was initially set as father of Ermesinda Gatonez (Asturias) who was the daughter of Agaton de Vierzo and Egilona.

I have set the LNAB as Asturias. It should be either Asturias or Vierzo/Bierzo, depending on whether Gaton was really the son of Ramiro I, King of Asturias. See http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ASTURIAS,%20LEON.htm#VermudoIdied797A

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