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Margaret (Braose) Witchingham (1330)

Margaret Witchingham formerly Braose
Born in Stinton, Norfolk, Englandmap
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Daughter of [uncertain] and [uncertain]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died [date unknown] in Englandmap
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Profile last modified | Created 8 Jul 2011
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Biography

"Sir William de Wychingham, son of Richer de Wychingham, was lord in the 33d of Edward III. he was bred to the law, of which he was a serjeant, and a judge of the Common Pleas in 1363. By his will, proved March 25, 1381, he was buried in the fourth aisle of Witchingham St. Mary's church, which he had built; gave legacies to Margaret his wife, to Richer, Nicholas, and William, his sons, and to William Caley and Dionyisia his wife, who was his daughter. ..."[1]

"... After this it [the manor of Antingham] was in the Witchinghams, of Witchingham Magna, and Margaret, relict of Sir William Witchingham, knt, presented to this church in 1388."[2]


Blomefield:

Sir John de Brewes by his will [Reg. Haydon fol. 11] dated in May 1370 he requires to be buried in the chancel, gives to Sir John de Brews, one of his best horses, to the lady Eve his wife, 5 marks and a silver cup with a cover, to Sir John de Brews, junior 40s. to Giles his brother 40s. the lady Margaret, wife of Sir William de Wychingham, a silver cup with a cover; he was chancellor to the bistiop of Norwich.[3]

Leaving something significant to Margaret implies some kind of connection. However it is doubtful that Blomefield really thought Margaret was daughter to John. Under Wood Rising he wrote:[4]

In the 9th of Edward II. William de Rising was returned to have a lordship; and in the 18th of Edward III. John de Enepol and Joan his wife, Henry Broom of Reedham and Maud his wife, Thomas Pykel and Joan his wife, John Wegge and Alice his wife, sold their right in this lordship, with lands, &c. in Wichingham St. Mary, and St. Faith's, to Will. de Witchingham, quit of the heirs of John, Maud, Joan, and Alice.
The said William had conveyed to him by fine, in the 32d of that King, the 8th part of the manor of Woderising, by Roger Hakun of Cantele, and Joan his wife, Edmund de Whitton of Reedham, and Isabel his wife, John Grigge of South Walsham, and Catharine his wife, quit of their heirs.
It is probable that this William de Wichingham, who was lord of Wichingham, a judge, and a knight, married an heiress of Roger or William de Rising.

Sources

  1. The History and Antiquities of Norfolk, vol. 3 (1781): Hundred of Eyensford, p. 109.
  2. [https://archive.org/stream/historyantiquiti03jeffiala#page/n15/mode/2up The History and Antiquities of Norfolk, vol. 3 (1781): Hundred of North Erpingham, p. 9].
  3. Francis Blomefield, [Francis Blomefield, 'Eynford Hundred: Salle', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 8 (London, 1808), pp. 269-276 http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol8/pp269-276 [accessed 20 October 2015].].
  4. Francis Blomefield, 'Mitford Hundred and Half: Wood Rysing', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 10 (London, 1809), pp. 273-281. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol10/pp273-281 [accessed 30 March 2023].

Acknowledgements

  • WikiTree profile Braose-72 created through the import of Lupton file.ged on Jul 8, 2011 by Kim Ostermyer. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Kim and others.
  • WikiTree profile Brewse-4 created through the import of FISCUS Family Tree.ged on Jun 6, 2011 by Liisa Small. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Liisa and others.




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Michael and Misty, here is my opinion, for whatever it's worth: John de Brewes in his w testament left identical covered silver cups to his wife and to Margaret Wychingham. This can only mean that Margaret was his daughter. John did leave an additional 5 marks to his wife, befitting her status relative to her daughter. I don't imagine trying to present this assessment as "proof," but I do think it is appropriate to maintain the existing "uncertain" connection.
posted by [Living Schmeeckle]
I agree the relationship, if any, with John de Brewes is unclear - the will merely says Lady Margaret was to receive a bequest without giving any family relationship. I can think of quite a number of possible explanations for the bequest even if she was not a relation. In any event, if there were to be any question of removing Margaret as a possible daughter of John de Brewes, there would surely need to be a chance for discussion in G2G. Others may have other evidential sources.
posted by Michael Cayley
I think, I agree, leave them uncertain. He lists her either because she was a child or someone important to him. Either could be true here. With the Mitford part, her possibly being a child of Roger or William de Rising, makes you question.
posted by Misty (Rish) Musco
The source for the uncertain connection is the will of John Brewes -- check his profile and I'll be pleased to consider hhow you interpret it.
posted by [Living Schmeeckle]
John, I am wondering if we should disconnect her from parents listed. I know they are marked uncertain. I know she isn't mentioned by Richardson, only John and Cecily are. What do you think?
posted by Misty (Rish) Musco
It already is. :-)

By the way, 18 Edward III is 1345 -- which suggests that William Wichingham may have had two wives, and that his birth year was earlier than the profile indicates.

posted by [Living Schmeeckle]
Should the parentage be marked as uncertain?
posted by Andrew Lancaster

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