Archdale (Combs) Combe
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Archdale (Combs) Combe (abt. 1641 - abt. 1684)

Archdale "Archdell" Combe formerly Combs aka Combes, Combs
Born about in Soulbury, Buckinghamshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married 1664 (to 1684) in Rappahannock, Virginiamap
Descendants descendants
Father of and
Died about at about age 42 in Rappahannock, Virginiamap [uncertain]
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Biography

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Archdale (Combs) Combe was a Virginia colonist.
This profile is part of the Combs Name Study.

Archdale Combe/Combs/Combes (1640?-1684?) of Stafford & Old Rappahannock Counties, Virginia Note: The Combs-Coombs &c. Research Group sometimes uses the spelling "Combe"

Uncertain Origin

Archdale's origin is uncertain.[1] He was probably a son of John Combe and Elizabeth Lovett.[1] This relationship is not proved, but it is determined to be highly likely.[2]

John and Elizabeth had a son named Archdale, who was christened on 16 November 1641 at Soulbury, Buckinghamshire, England.[2] After the death of his father, John Combe, Archdale's mother apprenticed him to his maternal uncle, Christopher Lovett, on 10 Apr 1656, for eight years as a Draper, "Archadell Combes, son of John of Sparsholt, Berkshire, Armiger, deceased."[2]

The Draper's Guild has record of Christopher Lovett at Dublin in 1662, and Lovett had children christened at St. John's at Dublin between 1663 and 1670.[2] However, there is no further record of Archdale among those of the Draper's Guild.[1] It is not known whether Archdale Combs accompanied his uncle to Dublin, as would have been customary for apprentices to reside with their masters. After eight years, in 1664, Archdale would have completed his apprenticeship.

The question is whether this Archdale Combs was identical with the Archdale Combs who was found in Virginia beginning in 1665. He brought suit against a Mr. William Brown (suit was dismissed) and also sat on a jury at Stafford County, Virginia Colony (Stafford Co VA OB, 1664-1668).[1] It is assumed that this was also the identical Archdale Combs who was found subsequently at Old Rappahannock County, Virginia Colony.

Associations

In two documents of power of attorney in the 1660's, Archdale called Warrick Cammock his friend of his "loveing Friende Mr. Warricke Cammocke."[2]

Uncertain Wife's Maiden Name

Archdale married to Elizabeth Unknown.[1]

She has often been called Elizabeth Butler, based on two records. One was an apprenticeship record on 7 May 1684, in which Charles Combs was assigned to John Butler until the age of twenty-one (Old Rappahannock OB, 1683-1686, p. 20 (27)).[1] In another apprenticeship record, on 4 September 1684, William Combs was assigned to Mr. William Underwood (Old Rappahannock OB, 1683-1686, p. 55).

The other was a deed (which was a result of the relinquishment of dower signed by Elizabeth and Archdale in 1674), dated 11 Dec 1691, from William UNDERWOOD, Jr. to William THOMAS which has caused much confusion. A transcription is found on the Archdale Combs page by the Combs-Coombs &c. Research Group:

…Mr. Wm. UNDERWOOD, Sr. "as Marrying the Sister of the said Mr. Ammaree BUTLER. And from the said BUTLER confer'd unto Mr. Wm. UNDERWOOD Senr. as marrying the Sister of the said BUTLER and from the said UNDERWOOD convey'd over by Exchange of the Thirds of land belonging unto Mrs. Eliza: COUMBS with consent of the said Mrs. Elizabeth COUMBS unto William UNDERWOOD, Junr., John COUMBES, and William COUMBES to them their heires or assignes forever… (Richmond Deeds, 1692-1694, Ruth & Sam Sparacio, McLean, VA, 1991)[1]

The difficulty in interpretation was a result of mis-identification of the two William Underwoods mentioned. "Mr. Wm. UNDERWOOD, Sr." was not the Col. Wm. UNDERWOOD, earlier husband of Elizabeth. He was the son of the Col. Wm. UNDERWOOD, and he was the husband of Mary BUTLER, sister of Amory BUTLER.

"Mr. Wm. UNDERWOOD, Jr." was not the son of Col. Wm. UNDERWOOD. He was son of Unknown Underwood and Elizabeth (-----) Underwood (Underwood) Combs.[1]

Often the suffixes "Sr." and "Jr." were used for two people, with the same name, living nearby each other. They were not necessarily related at all, or might have been only distantly related.

When the correct identities are known, we understand that Elizabeth relinquished her dower in order to secure the land for her sons, William Underwood, Jr., John Combs, and William Combs (Charles was possibly not born by that date, or was not her son).

Marriages

Archdale apparently married twice.

  • He married, as his 1st, to an Unknown wife.
  • He married between 1662 and 1666, as his 2nd, and as her 3rd, to Elizabeth (Unknown) (Underwood) Underwood, widow of an Unknown (possibly also William) Underwood, Major William Underwood of Rappahannock County Virginia (d c. 1662).[1] She seems to have had a son, William Underwood, Jr. by her first marriage to an Unknown Underwood. He was Archdale's step-son (see below).

Children

Children of Archdale and Elizabeth (Unknown) (Underwood) (Underwood) Combs (likely more children):[1]

  1. John Combs b c. 1662-3, d 1716
  2. William Combs (-1718)
  3. (possibly?) Charles Combs poss b after 14 Nov 1674 (date of relinquishment of dower in return for 600 acres for sons)

This transcription is found on the Archdale Combs page by the Combs-Coombs &c. Research Group:

On 7 Jun 1666, Archdall COMBE gifted his "sone in Law" William UNDERWOOD, Jr. 2 cows, a heifer and 1500 pds. of "good sound Tobacco" to be in the care of Archdall COMBE himself until "the donee come of age to chuse him a guardian." (Old Rappa. DB 3:93-94)[1]

"Son-in-law" was often used to describe a step-son.

Death and Legacy

Archdale's death date and even the place of death are unknown. According to the Combs-Coombs &c. Research Group, his death place could have been Old Rappahannock Co., Stafford Co., Maryland, or England.[1]

Archdale probably died in about 1684, because his sons, John and William, were assigned apprenticeships in that year. He certainly died after March 1677/8 when he witnessed documents and probably before 7 May 1684 when his son, Charles, was assigned an apprenticeship.[1]

Research Notes

Name: Archdale Combe Gender: Male Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1641 Baptism Place: Soulbury, Buckingham, England Father: John Combe Mother: Elizabeth FHL Film Number: 1042447[3]

Name Archdale Combs Gender Male Birth Place VA Birth Year 1625 Spouse Name Elizabeth Underwo Butler Spouse Birth Year 1625 Marriage Year 1664 Marriage State VA Number Pages 1 Household Members Name Age Elizabeth Underwo Butler Archdale Combs[4]

Combes, Archdell & Underwood, Elizabeth (Wid); BEFORE 14 Nov 1674: Bride was widow of Col. William Underwood and possible daughter of (First Name Unknown) Butler: [5]

Note Referencing-Virginia, Marriages of the Northern Neck of Virginia, 1649-1800 for Archdell Combes

Note: Archdale Combs land history/seal
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=1ea40059-fc1d-4015-a589-48ffa56df1ba&tid=47674996&pid=344
Note: Archdale Combs
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=a1f0bd7d-07df-4b51-b355-ef851f069d61&tid=47674996&pid=344

Sources

  1. 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 Combs-Coombs &c. Research Group, "Archdale Combs (1640?-1684?) of Stafford & Old Rappahannock Cos, VA." USGenNet, April 21, 2008, Archive.org saved 2 Mar 2021.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 Mortorff, Denise, et al, John Combe, Citizen, Draper, Merchant & Adventurer and Margaret Archdale, His Wyfe The Combes &c. Research Group, 16 April 2009, Archive.org saved on 26 Jan 2021, accessed 12 Feb 2022.
  3. http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=9841&h=40490429&ssrc=pt&tid=33827115&pid=18540121362&usePUB=true>
  4. Citation for U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900. *Note-Birthdates listed are probably in error, I have seen a marriage record for his grandparents that show them getting married 10 years or so after the last one died.
  5. RapC RB 1671-76:278, 327; Sweeney:5; Willis:55.

User-contributed:

  • Ancestry Family Trees. Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members.
  • Edmund West, comp., Family Data Collection - Births, Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2001.
  • Edmund West, comp., Family Data Collection - Deaths, Provo, UT, USA
  • Yates Publishing, U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900. Original data - This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases.

Acknowledgments

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How did you get the DNA profile of a man who died about 1684? If the profile is of one of his descendants it belongs on that profile; not here.
Archdale DID have a brother named Abraham who was just a year younger and he died in Maryland in 1685! Philip, on the other hand, is a total mystery to me.
posted by [Living Gross]
The Abraham Combs found in Old Rappahannock County appears to be the same generation as Archdale, b c 1642 and d 1684/5. So maybe a brother? or cousin? Certainly not a son. See http://www.combs-families.org/combs/families/c-ab1.htm
I've no objections to leaving them for now. But some research needs to be done to provide sources. I'll see if I can find anything.
I think we should leave Charles at least since he's even mentioned in the Biography as a "possible" third son. Has it been disproven that Archdale had children from his earlier marriage? For that matter, what is our obligation to this project - to stick only to proven and documented fact or to accommodate possibilities until we know for certain one way or another?
posted by [Living Gross]
According to most records, Abraham, Phillip and Charles are not sons of Archdale and Elizabeth. Elizabeth had only two known sons with Archdale -- William and John. Should the other three be removed or an attempt made to find where they belong?
I agree that the English ancestors should remain Combe. I was concerned only with Archdale, who seems to have used mostly Combs after his immigration.
I don't believe the spelling "Combs" was used prior to the family's migration to the US. I think "Combe" is more appropriate for the English ancestors.
posted by [Living Gross]
I don't believe the spelling "Combs" was used prior to the family's migration to the US. I think "Combe" is more appropriate for the English ancestors.
posted by [Living Gross]
Combe-72 and Combs-443 are not ready to be merged because: Initially I thought the Combs-Coombs &c. Research Group prefered the spelling Combe, but in looking at additional pages on their website, it seems they used both ... about equally. Now I am stumped as to which way to go. It also seems his children were divided, some using Combe and some using Combs. So that doesn't help. What do you think?

These profiles definitely represent the same person. Question is the spelling and thus, the direction of the merge INTO the "correct" spelling. If the decision is for Combe, then the others will both go into this one Combs-443 as the lowest number.

posted by Cynthia (Billups) B

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