Edward (Convers) Converse
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Edward (Convers) Converse (bef. 1589 - 1663)

Deacon Edward Converse formerly Convers aka Convers
Born before in Navestock, Essex, Englandmap
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Husband of — married 29 Jun 1614 in Great Burstead, Essex, Englandmap
Husband of — married before 14 Oct 1632 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
Husband of — married 9 Sep 1662 in Woburn, Middlesex, Massachusettsmap
Descendants descendants
Died after age 74 in Woburn, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Edward (Convers) Converse migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See Great Migration Begins, by R. C. Anderson, Vol. 1, p. 459)
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Disputed Origin

It has been widely assumed[1] that Edward Converse was the son of Christopher Conyers/Converse and Mary Halford of Wakerly, Northampton, England. This has been disproven.[2][3]

Rather, it now appears that Edward was the son of Allen Convers of Navestock, South Weald, and Stanford Rivers, Essex. See Research Notes for more details.

Biography

Edward Convers was baptized March 23, 1588/9 at Navestock, Essex, England, the son of Allen Convers and Joana.[4] and died August 10, 1663, aged 73 years, at Woburn, Massachusetts.[5]

He married first Sarah Parker at Great Burstead, Essex, June 29, 1614.[6] Edward and Sarah had a number of children at South Weald Essex before her burial there in on June 13, 1625.[6]

He married second Sarah (Unknown), perhaps shortly before emigrating to New England.

Deacon Edward, his wife Sarah and three children, Josiah, James and Mary arrived amongst the Winthrop Fleet, at Salem Harbor, on June 12, 1630. They first settled in Charlestown.[7]

He was a prominent man, served as Deacon of the First Church of Woburn from it's establishment until his death. Also served as Selectman and on the Board of Commissioner's throughout his residence in Woburn. He established a ferry between Boston and Charlestown, operating it from 1631 until 1640. he built the first house in Woburn and also operated the mill there, leaving it to his son Josiah upon his death. From the extensive inventory of his estate, he was a wealthy man.

Timeline

  • 1630: July 30: Church organized. The following Sunday, Edward and Sarah Convers were received. (later removed to and called the First Church of Boston)[8]
  • 1630: Sept. 28: Edward Convers member of the jury concerning Austen Bratcher's death.[9]
  • 1630: Oct. 19: Edward Convers petitioned to be made a freeman.[9]
  • 1631: May 18: Made a freeman of the colony.[9]
  • 1631: June 14: Edward Convers set up a ferry between Boston and Charlestown for which he charged a fee. The lease was renewed Nov. 1637 for three years. The ferry was granted to Harvard College in 1640.[10]
  • 1632: Nov. 2: The First Church of Charlestown was organized, Edward and Sarah Convers, members.[8]
  • 1634: though 1640: Selectman at Charlestown.[11]
  • 1640: He with others surveyed land in Charlestown; paid to repair the bridge at Medford over the Mystic River.[12]
  • 1640: Sept.; Member of a company assigned p to explore adjacent lands and wilderness which was establised later that year as a 'Village' - that further became the town of Woburn. Edward Convers was one of the first to erect his house in this new territory (before Jan. 1641).[13]
  • 1642: Edward Convers is head of commissioners of Woburn.[14]
  • 1642: One of the first Deacons of the First Church, until his death.[15]
  • 1644: Apr. 13: Appointed to the first board of Selectman. Chosen annually as Selectman, until his death in 1663. Also served numerous years served on the Board of Commissioners.[16]
  • 1649: March 3: Appointed to settle the dispute over the boundaries with Charlestown.
  • 1660: Deputy to the General Court. [17]

Edward's wife Sarah died at Woburn, January 14, 1662/3.[5], and he married third Joanna Sprague, widow of Ralph Sprague of Charlestown, Massachusetts Sept. 9, 1662 at Woburn.[18] She died Feb. 24, 1679.[5]

Deacon Edward Converse died at Woburn August 10, 1663.[5]

Will of Edward Convers

Dated August, 1659: Entered and Recorded: 7: 8th: 1663

Mentions: wife Sarah Convers
Sons: Josias, James, Samuel
Grandson: Edward, son of James
To the children of his daughter Mary Thompson, Samuel's share should he have no heirs.
Daughter: Mary Sheldon[19] Inventory[20]

Will of Widow Joanna Converse

Dec. 3, 1670 [21]

Family

Edward Convers(e) was married three times.

  1. Sarah Parker, m. June 29, 1614 at Great Burstead, bur. June 13, 1625 at South Weald
    1. Josiah, bp. October 30, 1618 at South Weald, Essex,[22] m. Ester Champney, d. February 3, 1689/90 at Woburn[23]
    2. John, bp. November 29, 1620[22]
    3. James, b. abt. 1621 (possibly the John above, see Origin Research notes), m. Anna Long, d. May 19, 1715[24]
    4. Sarah, bp. June 2, 1623,[22] bur. December 30, 1623[6]
    5. Mary, b. abt. 1625, m1. 1643 Simon Thomas, m2. 1659 John Sheldon[25]
  2. Sarah (Unknown), m. bef. 1630, in England, d. January 14, 1662/3 at Woburn
    1. Phineas.[7] Phineas was named in Banks' Planters of the Commonwealth, but no record has been found to support his existence.
    2. Samuel, bp. Charlestown, March 12, 1637[26] m. Judith Carter, died in a mill accident in 1669
  3. Joanna (Warren) Sprague, m. September 9, 1662, d. February 24, 1679

Research Notes

Possible Jewish Ancestry

A study of the Y-haplogroup was done by Carolyn A. Converse. It looked at a number of male-line descendants of Edward Converse, and who all have a J2 Y-chromosomal haplogroup, which is common in Jewish populations. The name "Convers" is possibly derived from "le Convers" (ie. Converso; converted), which was a name given to Jewish converts in the 1200s.[27]

Origin

“The authorities tell us that the origin of the Converse family was in Navarre, France, from whence Roger de Coigniers emigrated to England near the end of the reign of William the Conqueror, and to whom the Bishop of Durham gave the constableship of Durham."[28]

Disproven Conyers Connection: It has been widely assumed[1] that Edward Converse was the son of Christopher Conyers/Converse and Mary Halford of Wakerly, Northampton, England. This has been disproven.[2]

Discussion of the evidence, with additional information on the ancestry of Anthony Converse, was recorded at a now defunct link in 1998 by Robert J. Kurtz.[3] It is a thesis disconnecting Deacon Edward Converse, who came to New England in the year 1630, from the Royalty of Medieval England.

Compelling evidence has been found showing that Edward Converse came from the Converse family in and around Navestock:

Convers of Navestock, and Surrounding Parishes: Edward Convers(e) can be traced to the Convers of Navestock, Essex. In his will, Edward mentions his kinsman Alin3 Convers, and kinsman John Parker, as well as "kinswoman Sara Smith".[2] Allen3 Convers was the son of Allen2 Convers, son of Allen1 Convers. John Parker was the nephew of Edward's first wife, Sarah Parker. Sara Smith was likely Sara, daughter of Allen2 Convers, and the wife of John Smith of Charlestown.[6] She may have been the "Sarah Converse" mentioned in the 1633 will of Samuel Fuller, though futher research is warranted.

Banks' The Winthrop Fleet of 1630 gives Edward as being from the vicinity of Shenfield Essex (which is about 5km from Navestock), and his sons Josiah b. 1619, and James b. 1621.[7]

In a deposition March 10, 1661/2, Edward gave his age as about 73 (b. abt. 1589). In 1660 his sons Josiah and James gave depositions of their ages, 42 (b. abt. 1619) and 39 (b. abt. 1621), respectively. These about match the ages of Josiah bp. 1618, and John bp. 1620 at South Weald, near Navestock, Essex, children of Edward and Sarah Convers. The names 'James' and 'John' could possibly be a mistake in the record, or there may have been another child then.[2]

There were two Edward Convers who were cousins and were baptized around this time in and near Navestock:

Allen and Anthony were brothers. It seems that the lands at Navestock were held by the Convers family through their father, John Convers (or Combers), and that their lands at Stanford river came through their mother, Joan Fuller. Both Edwards were living at the time of their father's wills, Allen's in 1636[30] and Anthony's in 1621.[31] Notably Edward s. Allen1 was only given 5s, despite being named as the eldest son. Presumably because of his situation already being in New England.

While there is no defintive evidence one way or the other that Deacon Edward Converse was the son of Allen or Anthony, the facts that Edward named Allen Converse and Sara Smith (his nephew and niece) as kinsmen in his will, and that the children of Edward Convers of South Weald match somewhat with his children known in New England, - South Weald being where Allen, not Anthony, were living, are suggestive.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 E.g. following Browning, C.H, Magna Charta Barons (1898), p. 162. (There are other errors in this line)
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 Anderson, Robert Charles. The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England Volume I, A-F. (Boston: NEHGS, 1995): pp. 459-463 Edward Converse. American Ancestors (subscription)
  3. 3.0 3.1 Kurtz, Robert J., "The Road to Royalty is Broken," 1998 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~converse/books/kurtz.html, link defunct as of June 10, 2019.
  4. 4.0 4.1 Converse: pp. 866-868. "Navestock, Essex - Baptism register".
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 Johnson: part 2, p. 28
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 Richardson, Douglas. The English Origin and Ancestry of the Parker Brothers of Massachusetts, The New England Historical & Genealogical Register 153 (Boston, Mass.: NEHGS, 1999), pp. 82-83, 92-96
  7. 7.0 7.1 7.2 Banks, Charles Edward. The Winthrop fleet of 1630; an account of the vessels, the voyage, the passengers, and their English homes from original authorities. (Boston: The Riverside Press, 1930), p. 66
  8. 8.0 8.1 Hill: p. 98
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 Hill: p. 100
  10. Hill: pp. 100-102
  11. Hill: p. 101
  12. Hill: pp. 100-101
  13. Hill: pp. 102-103
  14. Hill: p. 104
  15. Hill: pp. 106-107
  16. Hill: p. 105
  17. The History of Woburn, Middlesex County, Mass. from the Grant of Its Territory to Charlestown, in 1640, to the Year 1860 By Samuel Sewall, Charles Chauncy Sewall, Samuel Thompson, Wiggin and Lunt, 1868
  18. Johnson: part 3, p. 59
  19. Hill: pp. 107-109
  20. Hill: p. 109-113
  21. Hill: pp. 100-114
  22. 22.0 22.1 22.2 Converse: pp. 865-866. "South Weald, Essex - Baptism register".
  23. Hill: pp. 114-115
  24. Hill: pp. 115-116
  25. Hill: p. 116
  26. Hill: p. 99
  27. Converse, Carolyn A., "Y-DNA Studies of an Early New England Family Indicate Possible Jewish Ancestry." American Ancestry 20, no. 2 (Summer 2019): 60-62. http://converse-ancestry.org/dna-project/american-ancestry-2019/
  28. New England Families Genealogical and Memorial, compiled under the supervision of William Richard Cutter, Volume II, Pages 643-44. Published by Lewis Historical Publishing Company, New York, New York, 1913. (https://books.google.com/books?id=ofcsAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA644&dq=Deacon+Edward+Converse,+Woburn,+Massachusetts&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwiOuToojnAhUMnq0KHbaeAJoQ6AEwBnoECAQQAg#v=onepage&q=Deacon%20Edward%20Converse&f=false)
  29. Converse: p. 871. "Stanford Rivers, Essex - Baptism register".
  30. Waters, Henry. Genealogical Gleanings in England (New-England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, 1901), vol. 1, p. 237-238. "The will of Allen Convers of Southweald" citing Arch, Essex, Whitehead, 56
  31. Converse: p. 864-865. "will of Anthonye Convers of Staneford Rivers", citing Arch, Essex, File 1623, no. 18




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The church records on these pages, cited above, have two Edwards:
  • Edwardus Convers son of Allen, bp. March 23, 1588/9 at Navistock
  • Edward son of Anthony Combers, bp. February 28, 1590/1 at Stanford Rivers.

(these Edwards are possibly 1st cousins)

This profile has Edward as son of Anthony, and has that baptism in the biography, however the profile birthdate I assume is based on the other Edward.

Anderson in TGMB, p462, has Edward as the son of Allen, not Anthony. Anderson further gives (and also appears on the church records above), that Edward's children Josiah, John*, and Sara were all baptised at South Weald (as children of Edward and Sarah). Again, on the link above, the will of Jeffre Convers of Stanfurde River mentions brother Allen of South wealde (and they both appear to be children of John Cumbers of Stanfurde river, will 1574, where son Allen is also mentioned, as well as land and a house at Navistock).

He further compares ages of Edward, and children Josiah, and James* as they gave them in depositions to the above baptism records, and they match to a year.

* Anderson suggests that the baptism of John was actually for James

This would suggest that Edward s. Allen (as Anderson has it) rather than Edward s. Anthony is the correct pairing for this profile.

posted on Converse-35 (merged) by Thomas B
edited by Thomas B
I've looked at all this and TB is correct Anderson says father is Allen not Anthony. Are there objections to changing this? If not heard from here on the profile, in about a week, you can change this. I'm also putting notes on the parents, so check there for objections. Please make the appropriate changes in the bio also.

See tree here https://archive.org/details/someofancestorsd00conve/page/n469

posted on Converse-35 (merged) by Anne B
edited by Anne B
No objections were raised on this profile, or his (previous) parents.

I edited the biography, a fair bit actually (but according to TGM guidelines), to account for the newly attributed parentage. I removed some of the old profile which still referenced the old Edward Conyers/Converse, and changed the biography to reference the new parents of Allen and Joana. Disputed Origin now links to Research notes, where the old Conyers line is still mentioned, as well as a detailed explanation about his origins in and around Navestock, Essex, as well as the argument of son of Allen vs Anthony.

I incorporated a few things mentioned in the profile, such as the potential Jewish ancestry of Converse.

I added some new sources, including the NEGHR The English Origin and Ancestry of the Parker Brothers of Massachusetts (1999), which was published after Edward Convers' inclusion in TGMB (1995). It shows a couple new church records, specifically of note are the burial record of both Sarah, d. of Edward, and Sarah, wife of Edward. This implies that Edward married 3 times: Sarah Parker, Sarah (Unknown) who died at Malden, and Joanna (Warren) Sprague. I think that a new wife Sarah Unknown should be added as second wife of Edward. I'll post that to Sarah Parker's profile too. Should a G2G be made?

Also, the records in England of this family are usually as "Convers", occasionally as "Combers", "Cumbers", and similar vowel substitutes, but never as "Converse'. I think Edward's LNAB should be changed from Converse to Convers, possibly his current LN as Converse (though I haven't looked much into the records of him in New England) as per Anderson. EDIT: his will is written and signed as "Convers" (FamilySearch)

EDIT: I also found mention of a sons "John" and "Phineas" in Banks' The Winthrop fleet of 1630 p66, in addition to Josiah and James, though I don't know the original source of this information.

Thoughts?

posted on Converse-35 (merged) by Thomas B
edited by Thomas B
I agree the LNAB should be changed to Convers. Would a manager please attend to this.

As for John and Phineas. Phineas at least didn't leave a footprint (although I just looked a little). I would mention them in the biography saying Banks says so but that so far no records have been found to prove their existence.

posted on Converse-35 (merged) by Anne B
See Carolyn A. Converse, Y-DNA Studies of an Early New England Family Indicate Possible Jewish Ancestry in American Ancestors, vol. 20, no. 2 [Summer 2019].
posted on Converse-35 (merged) by David James
Converse-367 and Converse-35 appear to represent the same person because: identical death, parents (merges proposed) and wife
posted on Converse-35 (merged) by Robin Lee
Excellent research. I enthusiastically await your changes.
posted on Converse-35 (merged) by Robin (Felch) Wedertz
Thank you; the second link in particular seems conclusive, and here is the volume that it refers to: https://archive.org/stream/someancestorsan00convgoog#page/n446/mode/2up

Anderson's "The Great Migration Begins" also states that Edward's royal ancestry has been disproven. If nobody objects, I will remove Edward's parents and add a "Disputed Parents" paragraph.

posted on Converse-35 (merged) by [Living Schmeeckle]
Please examine these, as evidence that Deacon Edward Converse is NOT the son of Christopher Converse;

http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p413.htm#i12388

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~converse/books/kurtz.html

posted on Converse-35 (merged) by J. (Pearson) Salsbery
Converse-171 and Converse-35 appear to represent the same person because: Birth and death dates are the same. Sons name is the same. Thank you Valerie.
posted on Converse-35 (merged) by Valerie (Adair) Bailey

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