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It has been widely assumed[1] that Edward Converse was the son of Christopher Conyers/Converse and Mary Halford of Wakerly, Northampton, England. This has been disproven.[2][3]
Rather, it now appears that Edward was the son of Allen Convers of Navestock, South Weald, and Stanford Rivers, Essex. See Research Notes for more details.
Edward Convers was baptized March 23, 1588/9 at Navestock, Essex, England, the son of Allen Convers and Joana.[4] and died August 10, 1663, aged 73 years, at Woburn, Massachusetts.[5]
He married first Sarah Parker at Great Burstead, Essex, June 29, 1614.[6] Edward and Sarah had a number of children at South Weald Essex before her burial there in on June 13, 1625.[6]
He married second Sarah (Unknown), perhaps shortly before emigrating to New England.
Deacon Edward, his wife Sarah and three children, Josiah, James and Mary arrived amongst the Winthrop Fleet, at Salem Harbor, on June 12, 1630. They first settled in Charlestown.[7]
He was a prominent man, served as Deacon of the First Church of Woburn from it's establishment until his death. Also served as Selectman and on the Board of Commissioner's throughout his residence in Woburn. He established a ferry between Boston and Charlestown, operating it from 1631 until 1640. he built the first house in Woburn and also operated the mill there, leaving it to his son Josiah upon his death. From the extensive inventory of his estate, he was a wealthy man.
Edward's wife Sarah died at Woburn, January 14, 1662/3.[5], and he married third Joanna Sprague, widow of Ralph Sprague of Charlestown, Massachusetts Sept. 9, 1662 at Woburn.[18] She died Feb. 24, 1679.[5]
Deacon Edward Converse died at Woburn August 10, 1663.[5]
Dated August, 1659: Entered and Recorded: 7: 8th: 1663
Edward Convers(e) was married three times.
A study of the Y-haplogroup was done by Carolyn A. Converse. It looked at a number of male-line descendants of Edward Converse, and who all have a J2 Y-chromosomal haplogroup, which is common in Jewish populations. The name "Convers" is possibly derived from "le Convers" (ie. Converso; converted), which was a name given to Jewish converts in the 1200s.[27]
“The authorities tell us that the origin of the Converse family was in Navarre, France, from whence Roger de Coigniers emigrated to England near the end of the reign of William the Conqueror, and to whom the Bishop of Durham gave the constableship of Durham."[28]
Disproven Conyers Connection: It has been widely assumed[1] that Edward Converse was the son of Christopher Conyers/Converse and Mary Halford of Wakerly, Northampton, England. This has been disproven.[2]
Discussion of the evidence, with additional information on the ancestry of Anthony Converse, was recorded at a now defunct link in 1998 by Robert J. Kurtz.[3] It is a thesis disconnecting Deacon Edward Converse, who came to New England in the year 1630, from the Royalty of Medieval England.
Compelling evidence has been found showing that Edward Converse came from the Converse family in and around Navestock:
Convers of Navestock, and Surrounding Parishes: Edward Convers(e) can be traced to the Convers of Navestock, Essex. In his will, Edward mentions his kinsman Alin3 Convers, and kinsman John Parker, as well as "kinswoman Sara Smith".[2] Allen3 Convers was the son of Allen2 Convers, son of Allen1 Convers. John Parker was the nephew of Edward's first wife, Sarah Parker. Sara Smith was likely Sara, daughter of Allen2 Convers, and the wife of John Smith of Charlestown.[6] She may have been the "Sarah Converse" mentioned in the 1633 will of Samuel Fuller, though futher research is warranted.
Banks' The Winthrop Fleet of 1630 gives Edward as being from the vicinity of Shenfield Essex (which is about 5km from Navestock), and his sons Josiah b. 1619, and James b. 1621.[7]
In a deposition March 10, 1661/2, Edward gave his age as about 73 (b. abt. 1589). In 1660 his sons Josiah and James gave depositions of their ages, 42 (b. abt. 1619) and 39 (b. abt. 1621), respectively. These about match the ages of Josiah bp. 1618, and John bp. 1620 at South Weald, near Navestock, Essex, children of Edward and Sarah Convers. The names 'James' and 'John' could possibly be a mistake in the record, or there may have been another child then.[2]
There were two Edward Convers who were cousins and were baptized around this time in and near Navestock:
Allen and Anthony were brothers. It seems that the lands at Navestock were held by the Convers family through their father, John Convers (or Combers), and that their lands at Stanford river came through their mother, Joan Fuller. Both Edwards were living at the time of their father's wills, Allen's in 1636[30] and Anthony's in 1621.[31] Notably Edward s. Allen1 was only given 5s, despite being named as the eldest son. Presumably because of his situation already being in New England.
While there is no defintive evidence one way or the other that Deacon Edward Converse was the son of Allen or Anthony, the facts that Edward named Allen Converse and Sara Smith (his nephew and niece) as kinsmen in his will, and that the children of Edward Convers of South Weald match somewhat with his children known in New England, - South Weald being where Allen, not Anthony, were living, are suggestive.
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(these Edwards are possibly 1st cousins)
This profile has Edward as son of Anthony, and has that baptism in the biography, however the profile birthdate I assume is based on the other Edward.
Anderson in TGMB, p462, has Edward as the son of Allen, not Anthony. Anderson further gives (and also appears on the church records above), that Edward's children Josiah, John*, and Sara were all baptised at South Weald (as children of Edward and Sarah). Again, on the link above, the will of Jeffre Convers of Stanfurde River mentions brother Allen of South wealde (and they both appear to be children of John Cumbers of Stanfurde river, will 1574, where son Allen is also mentioned, as well as land and a house at Navistock).
He further compares ages of Edward, and children Josiah, and James* as they gave them in depositions to the above baptism records, and they match to a year.
* Anderson suggests that the baptism of John was actually for James
This would suggest that Edward s. Allen (as Anderson has it) rather than Edward s. Anthony is the correct pairing for this profile.
edited by Thomas B
See tree here https://archive.org/details/someofancestorsd00conve/page/n469
edited by Anne B
I edited the biography, a fair bit actually (but according to TGM guidelines), to account for the newly attributed parentage. I removed some of the old profile which still referenced the old Edward Conyers/Converse, and changed the biography to reference the new parents of Allen and Joana. Disputed Origin now links to Research notes, where the old Conyers line is still mentioned, as well as a detailed explanation about his origins in and around Navestock, Essex, as well as the argument of son of Allen vs Anthony.
I incorporated a few things mentioned in the profile, such as the potential Jewish ancestry of Converse.
I added some new sources, including the NEGHR The English Origin and Ancestry of the Parker Brothers of Massachusetts (1999), which was published after Edward Convers' inclusion in TGMB (1995). It shows a couple new church records, specifically of note are the burial record of both Sarah, d. of Edward, and Sarah, wife of Edward. This implies that Edward married 3 times: Sarah Parker, Sarah (Unknown) who died at Malden, and Joanna (Warren) Sprague. I think that a new wife Sarah Unknown should be added as second wife of Edward. I'll post that to Sarah Parker's profile too. Should a G2G be made?
Also, the records in England of this family are usually as "Convers", occasionally as "Combers", "Cumbers", and similar vowel substitutes, but never as "Converse'. I think Edward's LNAB should be changed from Converse to Convers, possibly his current LN as Converse (though I haven't looked much into the records of him in New England) as per Anderson. EDIT: his will is written and signed as "Convers" (FamilySearch)
EDIT: I also found mention of a sons "John" and "Phineas" in Banks' The Winthrop fleet of 1630 p66, in addition to Josiah and James, though I don't know the original source of this information.
Thoughts?
edited by Thomas B
As for John and Phineas. Phineas at least didn't leave a footprint (although I just looked a little). I would mention them in the biography saying Banks says so but that so far no records have been found to prove their existence.
Anderson's "The Great Migration Begins" also states that Edward's royal ancestry has been disproven. If nobody objects, I will remove Edward's parents and add a "Disputed Parents" paragraph.
http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p413.htm#i12388
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~converse/books/kurtz.html