Elizabeth (Darcy) Lukyn
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Elizabeth (Darcy) Lukyn (1332 - 1390)

Elizabeth "Countess of Ormond" Lukyn formerly Darcy aka Butler
Born in Platten, County Meath, Irelandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married about 1346 [location unknown]
Wife of — married before 30 Mar 1384 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at age 57 in Kilkenny Castle, Kilkenny, Leinster, Irelandmap
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Biography

Elizabeth Darcy was born on 3 April 1332 at Platten, County Meath, Ireland, the daughter of Sir John Darcy, 1st Baron Darcy de Knayth, Justiciar of Ireland, and his second wife Joan de Burgh.[1]

Elizabeth married her first husband James Butler, 2nd Earl of Ormond, a ward of her father and the son of James Butler, 1st Earl of Ormond.[2] A papal dispensation for the marriage was dated 15 May 1346 (they were related in the fourth degree).[3] He was Lord Justice of Ireland in 1359, 1364, and 1376. He was also Constable of Dublin Castle in 1349. He was known as the Noble Earl, however, the Irish called him "The Chaste".

Upon her marriage to the Earl, Elizabeth assumed the title of Countess of Ormond.[4] Historian Thomas Carte described her as having been a "wise and honourable lady"

Children

  1. Ralph Butler
  2. Eleanor Butler (died 1392), married Gerald FitzMaurice FitzGerald, 3rd Earl of Desmond, by whom she had issue, including the 4th and 6th Earls of Desmond.
  3. James Butler, 3rd Earl of Ormond (died 6 September 1405), before 17 June 1386, married firstly, Anne Welles, Countess of Ormond, daughter of John Welles, 4th Lord Welles and Maud de Ros, by whom he had issue, including James Butler, 4th Earl of Ormond. He married secondly, Katherine FitzGerald of Desmond, by whom he had further issue. In 1391, he purchased Kilkenny Castle.
  4. Thomas Butler
  5. Joan Butler, married Tiege O' Carroll

Elizabeth's husband died on 18 October 1382 in Knocktopher and was buried in Gowran Church, Co. Kilkenny. She married secondly, Sir Robert Lukyn de Hereford, Seneschal of the Liberty of Tipperary, between 28 December 1383 and 30 March 1384.

She died on 24 Mar 1390.[5] Her heir was her son James.[5]

Katherine Butler, wife of Thomas Fleming, 2nd Lord Slane

A Katherine Butler is said, according to Cokayne's Complete Peerage, to have married, as his second wife, Thomas Fleming, 2nd Lord Slane, and to have been a daughter of a James, Earl of Ormond, with nothing to indicate which James Butler Earl of Ormond is meant. No source is given for Katherine's parentage.[6]

Katherine has previously been shown on WikiTree as daughter of Elizabeth Darcy and her husband, James Butler, 2nd Earl of Ormondthe, but she married after 28 March 1403 (when Thomas Fleming's first wife was still alive), making this unlikely. Thomas Fleming's entry in the Dictionary of Irish Biography says that Katherine was "reputedly" a natural daughter of Elizabeth Darcy’s son James Butler, 3rd Earl of Ormond.[7]

Sources

  1. Wikipedia:Elizabeth_Butler,_Countess_of_Ormond.
  2. Cawley, Charles. Medieval Lands: A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families. Hosted online by the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG), accessed 2021, Earls of Ormond (Walter/Butler).
  3. 'Regesta 172: 1345-1346', in Calendar of Papal Registers Relating To Great Britain and Ireland: Volume 3, 1342-1362, ed. W H Bliss and C Johnson (London, 1897), pp. 209-217, British History Online, accessed 15 August 2022
  4. The Peerage.
  5. 5.0 5.1 M. C. B. Dawes, M. R. Devine, H. E. Jones and M. J. Post, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Richard II, File 58', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 16, Richard II (London, 1974), pp. 306-320. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol16/pp306-320 [accessed 28 December 2021].
  6. G E Cokayne. Complete Peerage, revised edition, Vol. XII, part I, St Catherine Press, 1953, pp. 4-5, viewable on Familysearch
  7. Dictionary of Irish Biography, entry by Emmett O'Byrne for Thomas Fleming, web, accessed 15 August 2022
  • Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry, Vol. II pp. 48-49.




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It seems highly unlikely that Eleanor was born in 1343. First, this was three years before Elizabeth and James Butler were married, while James was still a ward of her father. While this is not impossible (stuff happens), the other evidence makes this all the more improbably, if not impossible. Secondly, Elizabeth would have been 10 years old at the time of conception and 11 at the time of birth. James would have been only 12 years old, himself. There is no evidence that Eleanor was illigitimate, and James would have hardly earned the title "the chaste" had he fathered a daughter out of wedlock at the age of 12. Based on these facts alone, it seems Eleanor was likely born at the earliest in 1347, if not later.
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