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Ansbertus (Metz) de Rodez (536 - 570)

Ansbertus (Ansbert) de Rodez formerly Metz aka von Schelde
Born in Moselle, Old, Sachsen, Germanymap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] in DISPUTEDmap
Descendants descendants
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Died at about age 34 in Schelde, Moselle, Austrasiamap
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Profile last modified | Created 7 Feb 2012
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Ansbertus; Ansbert; Anspert[1][2]

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Parents

The parents listed for this individual are speculative and may not be based on sound genealogical research. Sources to prove or disprove this ancestry are needed. Please contact the Profile Manager or leave information on the bulletin board. :The parents of Ansbert are UNKNOWN.[3]

Spouse and Issue

Ansbert seems to be a fanciful way to connect the Merovingians, the Arnulfings, the Pippinids, and the Carolingians. Leaving him in place in the tree as husband of Blichildis and father of Arnold is a concession to traditional genealogies, but unlikely, in the extreme, to be historical.

Wikipedia -- "Ansbertus or Ansbert, Ausbert was a Frankish Austrasian noble, as well as a Gallo-Roman Senator. He is thought to be the son of Ferreolus, Senator of Narbonne and his wife Saint Dode .... Little of his actual life is known. Published centuries later Liber Historiae Francorum states that an Ansbertus married Blithilde (also called Bilichilde), and that she was the daughter of "Lothar the father of Dagobert", and then continues the line to the Pippinids through his son Arnoald and his granddaughter Itta (wife of Pepin of Landen). ... The chronological problems with the line as presented in Chronicle of the Kings of England", William of Malmesbury, page 64, have led modern genealogists to try to re-construct the line in various ways to fix them."[4]


m. (fictional spouse - 9th century invention) Bilichildis (Blithildis) Issue: 5[5][6]

  • Arnold (9th century invention; largely disputed father of Arnulf, Bishop of Metz)[7][8]
  • Feriolus
  • Modericus
  • Tharsicia
  • ________

Mythical Occupation

  • mythical Roman senator[9]

Sources

Brubaker, L. & Smith, J.M.H. (2004). "Pippinid wives." Gender in the Early Medieval World: East and West, 300-900. Cambridge University Press. eBook.[10] Citing:

  • Commenmoratio genealogiae domni Karoli gloriosissimi imperatoris (9th century)
  • Genealogia regum Francorum (citing Commenmoratio genealogiae domni ...)
  • Blithildis genuit Arnaldum ex Ansberto illustri viro


Cawley, C. (2006). Medieval Lands v.3.[11] citing:

  • Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude
  • Liber Historiæ Francorum
  • Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude'
  • Carmen de Exordio Gentis Francorum
  • Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude


Wikipedia: Ansbertus


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see fictional pedigree,[12] and main profile[13]





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Sharon Richards
The three sons, Ferreol, Arnold and Modericus (Munderic) were all canonized by the Catholic Church, holding Bishophrics in Metz, Uzès and Arisitum. They were not born of fictitious people. Daughter Tharsicia lived out her life as a hermit "puella dei" - perhaps as a nun. Their connections to Merovingian lines and Carolingian lines notwithstanding, I do not believe you can deny their actual existence.

References (Munderic) ^ Gregory of Tours, Historia Francorum Book V, chapter 5, in: J.-P. Migne (ed.), Patrologiae Latinae Tomus LXXI (Paris 1858), p. 321. Sources Douglas J. Potter The Catholic Encyclopedia, I-XIV (New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1908–1912). External links (Ferreol) Jewish Encyclopedia: "France" Catholic Encyclopedia: "Uzès", "Rodez" References and citations (Arnoul) Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne (France: Éditions Christian, 1989). Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I - III (juillet 2000- octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002). Various Monumenta Germaniae Historica (Leipzig: Verlag Karl W. Hiersemann, 1923–1925). David Humiston Kelley, "A New Consideration of the Carolingians," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, vol. 101 (1947) Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval, 2000, Settipani and K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, editors Depoin, J., "Grandes figures monacales des temps mérovingiens: saint Arnoul de Metz. Études de critique historique", Revue Mabillon, 1921, p. 245-258, et 1922, p. 13-25. Specific ^ J. Depoin, "Grand Figures" -Sharon Richards

posted by Sharon Richards
edited by Sharon Richards
Joseph Lastowski
I hope people are working to validate or invalidate this!
posted by Joseph Lastowski
[Living Ogle]
No. But they're all the same fictional character, designed to "to connect Merovingians, Arnulfings, Pippinids, Carolingians" ... and even the Romans. So Metz, Moselle, Ferroleus, Austrasia, Narbonne, etc. We've found about 20 or so duplicates to date. Don't be afraid to merge duplicates into this main profile.

Thx for helping, and happy holidays!:)

posted by [Living Ogle]
David Rentschler
De Meroving-4 and Metz-182 are not ready to be merged because: are they real people?
posted by David Rentschler
David Rentschler
DeMoselle-1 and Metz-182 are not ready to be merged because: are they real?
posted by David Rentschler
[Living Ogle]
This is another duplicate of Ansbertus... it's from the fictional pedigree that tries to attach him to the Gallo-Roman senatorial family of Ferroleus (see main profile for explanation).[1]
posted by [Living Ogle]
[Living Ogle]
I'm siding with Roger, and disconnecting him from the Ferroleus line. There's no real proof to back up Wikipedia's opening thesis.[1] Note that in the list of the encyclopedia's sources, they do cite Smith (2005), stating:
"The Carolingian dynasty...appropriated the Roman past into its ancestry by a genealogy that claimed that its sainted (and historically attested) founder, Arnulf of Metz (d.c. 643) was the grandson of the (mythical) Merovingian princess Blithild and her (equally mythical) husband Ansbert, hailed as a Roman senator."[2]
posted by [Living Ogle]
Malloy-116 Renee Malloy Esq
Metz-182 and Senator-9 appear to represent the same person because: Married to same wife, died at same time, same parents, etc.
posted by Renee Malloy Esq
Fields-574 Bob Fields
Of Metz-43 and Metz-182 appear to represent the same person because: Same name (Ansbertus/Ausbertus of Metz), similar birth/death years. Spouse Blithilde also has a proposed merge.
posted by Bob Fields
Fields-574 Bob Fields
Of Narbonne-14 and Ferreolus-14 appear to represent the same person because: Same name (Ferreolus), approxminately the same birth/death, children and spouses are also in the process of being merged.
posted by Bob Fields
Travis-185 Roger Travis Jr.
No evidence of his parentage exists. Cf. his article on Wikipedia. Fanciful parentage has been unlinked, but would seek to bring his lineage back to the Roman Empire.
posted by Roger Travis Jr.

Rejected matches › Arnulf Arnulfing (abt.0582-0640) › Ansbertus-Ferreolus (Unknown) de Moselle (abt.0465-abt.0532)

Ansbert is 38 degrees from Maria Mitchell, 48 degrees from Carl Sagan, 31 degrees from Tycho Brahe, 32 degrees from Nicholaus Copernicus, 49 degrees from Eise Eisinga, 39 degrees from Caroline Lucretia Herschel, 46 degrees from Thomas Maclear, 39 degrees from Simon Newcomb, 32 degrees from Isaac Newton, 42 degrees from Pierre Henri Puiseux, 43 degrees from Beatrice Tinsley and 40 degrees from Edith Woodward on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.

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