Janet
"Jonet, Jenet"
ferch Jenkin
Born about in Pen Llin, Ogmore, Glamorgan, Wales
Ancestors 
Daughter of Jenkin ap John
and Alice Rayne
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of
Mathew ap Ieuan
— married
[date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants 
Died
at about age 46
in Wales
Profile last modified
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Biography
Birth
Jenet "Jonet, Janet" ferch Jenkin was born in Pen Llin, Ogmore, Glamorgan, Wales to Jenkin (Fleming) ap John and Alice Rayne. She married Mathew ap Ieuan, and they had Robert Mathew[5] Dafydd ap Mathew, and Morfudd ferch Mathew.
Death
Jonet died in Wales before 1411 (Age: 45-46[6])
Research Notes
Note: Birth year is in question. About 1365, 1384[7] or about 1400 (but son Dafydd's profile shows he was born 1400). Her death date has been given as 1411 and marriage before 1411 by some pedigrees. The profile for daughter Morfudd shows birth year of 1419.
note - Fleming-3020 was removed as daughter of Richard Fleming. The wife of Mathew ap Ieuan was the daughter of Jenkin Fleming.
Bartrum Pedigree
- Following links are to Bartrum charts posted by The Bartrum Project (digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum)
- Sir Roger Rayne, great-grandfather of Jenkin Fleming's wife.
- John Fleming, father of Jenkin (also shows Jenkin's family, including Jonet)
- Mathew ap Ieuan, m Jonet ferch Jenkin (shows sons David, Robert, and Lewis - no daughters)
Sources
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 Source: #S004330
- ↑ Source: #S004444
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 Source: #S-2050775408
- ↑ Source: #S-2050775427
- ↑ from Jenkin-183 datafields pre-merge (Aug. 8, 2015)
- ↑ from breesefam.ged
- ↑ from Fleming-3020
- Charles Ragland book Vol II
- S004330: Millennium File, Heritage Consulting (Ancestry Online publication, 2003). Text: Birth 1362.
- S-2050775408: Heritage Consulting. Millennium File (Ancestry Online publication, 2003). Text: Birth 1362
- S-2050775427: Ancestry Family Trees (Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members).
- S004444: Ancestry Family Trees (Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members).
Acknowledgements
- Click the Changes tab to see edits to this profile; from that list, click WikiTree IDs other than Fleming-194 to see changes to those profiles prior to being merged. Thank you to everyone who contributed to this profile.
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If project gurus feel super strongly about including her husband's name in her profile name (which seems bogus) then an AKA would be the better place for that.
2) If we're saying she's Welsh, then the patronymic ought to be her LNAB.
So how about: "Jonet ferch Jenkin formerly Fleming" (Plus possible "AKA gwraig Mathew" if historically important for reasons I'm not aware of.) That gets her Welsh assimilation into a logical order, ie Welsh people in her time wouldn't have called her Jonet Fleming, right? Her grandparents might have, but we should be thinking about this more through the lens of her grandchildren, because the family becomes Welsh and the profile is Cymru protected not Anglo protected.
3) Also, consider just picking the best-sourced or most culturally-appropriate vowel for her firstname, instead of listing all three?
Because, if we listed all the phonetic variant spellings of EVERYBODY on this site between say 1000-1750, the site would be broken. If we're not going to do that for everybody, why do it for her?
Personally, I think we ought to reserve the other firstnames database field for non-intuitive contractions (eg Matilda "Maud") or cross-cultural duality (eg Siwan "Joan") and not mere phonetic or spelling variance. Especially when sources are getting translated and spelling norms change over time, the existence of alternates is to be expected and not indicative of difference.
Her 1411 death is incompatible with daughter's birth (1419):
Dawn - you sent me a message saying "I believe the Janet ferch Jenkin is incorrect." So... ok to disconnect Richard Fleming as father?