Thomas Gamage (abt. 1404 - abt. 1475)

Born about 1404 in Coity, Glamorgan, Wales

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Died about 1475 at about age 71 in Coity Castle, Glamorgan, Wales

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Biography

Thomas Gamage was born about 1404^[1] in Coyty, Glamorganshire, Wales^[2] to William Gamage of Coety and his wife Mary, daughter of Sir Thomas Rodborough.^[3]

"The proof of age of Thomas Gamage, son of William Gamage, taken on 10th January 1430 stated that Thomas Gamage was born at Rogiet and was baptised at Rogiet church. It also said that Gilbert Gamage was the father of William Gamage and grandfather of Thomas Gamage."^[4]

Thomas married Jonet, daughter of Sir Gilbert Dennis, and they had two children:^[3]

• Jane, m Roger Arnold
• John, (1) m Margred f. Morgan; (2) not m a daughter of Hughes of Waterton

Title:

Sir Thomas Lord Coytey^[5]

The Lordship of Coety (also Coity) came into the family through the marriage of Sir William Gamage of Roggiett, Gwent to Sara de Turberville. "The Gamage succession was not however easily achieved for in September 1412, ... William Gamage assisted by Sir Gilbert Denys (d.1422) of Siston, Gloucestershire and formerly of Waterton-by-Ewenny, ... besieged Coity for a month."^[6]

William Gamage, father of Thomas, died in 1419.^[7]

Conflicting Dates

The Wikipedia article cites the marriage of Sir William Gamage of Roggiett, Gwent to Sara de Turberville and appears to ascribe the beseiging of Coity Castle in 1412 to him. However, Bartrum shows that the Sir William Gamage of Roggiet who married "Sara f Payn Turberville" was Sheriff of "Gloucs" (Gloucestershire) in 1325.

Bartrum has William and Sara Turberville as the grandparents of William of Coety (d 1419) and his wife Mary Rodborough, who were the parents of Thomas Gamage (b 1408) m Jonet Dennis, daughter of Gilbert Dennis.

Other sources confirm that the 1412 siege was undertaken by Thomas's father, not his gr-grandfather.

Wikipedia also says that Gilbert Denys had two daughters who both married a Thomas Gamage and that Matilda was the mother of an heir named John. That and other information in Wikipedia needs more research.

Dictionary of Welsh Biography (Gamage family of Coety 'Coity', Glam.):

"WILLIAM GAMAGE of Rogiet , was sheriff of Gloucestershire in 1325. He m. Sarah, fourth daughter of Payn Turberville, kt., of Coety, and thereby forged the link with that Glamorgan manor. By the extinction of the co-heirs of Sir Payn's brother, Sir Richard Turberville, Coety eventually fell to the descendants of Sarah Gamage. GILBERT, son of William and Sarah, died [1382]... It was Gilbert 's second son, ( Sir ) WILLIAM GAMAGE , who succeeded to Coety, at the age of 30, on the death of Sir Laurence Berkerolles in 1411."

This account agrees with Bartrum. However, Bartrum has wife as Jonet Denis, while this source says that William's heir Thomas m Matilda:

William "d. in 1419, and in 1421 his lands were granted to the earl of Worcester during the minority of his heir, Thomas (aged 11 at his father's death) by Mary, daughter of Sir Thomas Rodborough. THOMAS GAMAGE, who m. Matilda, daughter of Sir Gilbert Dennis, and their son, JOHN, have left little trace of their existence. The latter m. a Welsh heiress, Margaret, daughter of Llywelyn ap Ieuan Llywelyn of Radyr. ... John Gamage's son, MORGAN, m. Eleanor, daughter of Sir Roger Vaughan of Tretower (see p. 1,000)."

See the Gamage family page for a list of sources for the article in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography written by Evan David Jones, F.S.A., (1903-87), Aberystwyth. See also the articles on Vaughan family, of Tretower Court and the Turberville family of Coity, Glam.

Janet Ariciu also has a collection of information about these Gamages - see her page on William, son of Gilbert de Gamage and Lettice Seymour.

From sources so far, it seems only Bartrum names Thomas's wife as other than Matilda. And one source names her father as John Dennis (see p 9, Descendants of John Gamage of Ipswich, Mass).

Another source for non-Matilda, a footnote in the Wikipedia article:

[9] See the will of Sir Gilbert Denys in which he names his da. Joan "wife of Thomas Gamage" as his executrix. Line 12: "Ordino et confirmo Johnam filiam meam uxorem Thom. Gamage..."National Archives, PROB 11/2B Image Ref:413/285. Sir Gilbert's biography, History of Parliament Online, says he named as executor of his will "his daughter Joan, wife of Thomas Gamage (a kinsman of his former lieutenant)."

The phrasing bothers me - "a kinsman of his former lieutenant". If the "former lieutenant" referred to is the William Gamage that Sir Gilbert teamed up with to besiege Coity Castle, then wouldn't the biographer have written "the son of his former lieutenant"?

Sources

1. ↑ "Sir William Gamage died on 27th September 1419 and was succeeded by his son Thomas Gamage who was about fifteen years old. ... [A] third inquisition into the property of Sir William Gamage was held on 18th September 1421 at Chipping Sodbury... and stated that William died on 23rd August 1419." (#ipm)
2. ↑ c 1408 in #Bartrum; 1384 from #S-2014492019, which was also source for location
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1} Source: #Bartrum
4. ↑ Source: #ipm
5. ↑ Source: #S-2014492019
6. ↑ Wikipedia: Coity Castle (accessed June 17, 2015)
7. ↑ An Inventory of the Ancient Monuments in Glamorgan, by Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales (p 223)

• The Bartrum Project, digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum (mirrored from the defunct Cadair site by Geni: Bartrum Genealogical Project - free login required to access the charts). See additional information about Cadair in G2G.
  • Gamage 1
• S-2014492019: Heritage Consulting, Millennium File (Ancestry Online publication, 2003; APID Ancestry Record millind #1014782 ). Text: Birth 1384, Coyty, Glamorgan, Wales
• S-2141108661: Ancestry Family Trees (Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members.
• Ancestry Tree

See also:

• "Inquisitions post mortem at Chipping Sodbury in Gloucestershire, 1419-1422" (including William Gamage & Sir Gilbert Denys), posted on Medieval News Blogspot by Niall O'Brien, December 29, 2014
• Archaeologia Cambrensis, John "son of Thomas Gamage of Coyty and Rogiad (by Maud, dr. of Sir John Dennis...)"
• Coity Castle

The profile for Matilda Dennis-199, daughter of John Dennis and Jane Dabernon was detached as his wife. Thomas Gamage, son of William Gamage and his wife Mary, daughter of Sir Thomas Rodborough, was married to Jonet Dennis, daughter of Sir Gilbert Dennis. (See Bartrum's Gamage 1.) Bartrum also has Thomas's birth as c 1408, so I changed the birth year for this Thomas from 1384 to 1408. Noland-165 21:00, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

Acknowledgements

• A WikiTree profile for this person was created through the import of MASTER2011WIKITREE.GED on 27 January 2011.
• A WikiTree profile for this person was created through the import of Sheppard_Duncan_Bickham_Stroud.ged on 01 February 2011. Source citations S-2014492019 and S-2141108661.
• The WikiTree profile Gamage-28 was created through the import of HUNTER FAMILY TREE (3).ged on Aug 27, 2011 by Restricted Hunter. (No sources given.)
• The WikiTree profile Gamage-35 was created through the import of Grant_David_Meadors_2008-02-17.ged on Sep 18, 2011 by Grant Meadors.
• Liz Shifflett (15x-gr-granddaughter), editing & additional research/sources (adopted the orphaned profile 22 June 2022)
• Richard Ragland