Born about in Greene's Norton, Northamptonshire, England
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
Descendants 
Father of
Robert Greene Sr. and John Greene Sr
Died
at about age 78
in Drayton near Gillingham, Dorset, England
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Biography
Sir John Greene is said to have been born about 1408 (some trees say 1404) in Northamptonshire, England and to have died in 1486 in Gillingham, Dorset, England. Some trees say he is the son of Sir Thomas Greene and Mary Talbot; others that he is the son of Henry Greene and Matilda Mauduit.
No contemporary sources have been found for a person of the surname Green(e) living in Gillingham in the 1400s. There is also no evidence of a connection between the Greene family of Gillingham in the mid 1500s and the Greene family of Drayton or Greene's Norton (Northamptonshire) in the early 1400s, as would be suggested by this profile.
This profile seems to be based in part on John Greene (abt.1387-1433), although the birth and death dates on this profile do not match that John Greene.
Research Notes
Uncertain Existence
No contemporary evidence can be found for a John Green(e) living in Gillingham, Dorset, in the 1400s. The earliest Greene that has been found in Gillingham is recorded in a 1525 Dorset Subsidy Roll. This profile and others for Gillingham Greenes in the 1400s appear in many online family trees and some printed works from the 1900s, but these do not provide reliable sources for their information. Donnelly-2171 10:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Prior Biography 1
The following biography was on a previous version of this profile
Sir John Grene, Knight and Lord of Drayton, was born about 1408 in Greene's Norton, County Northampshire, England, and died 1486 in Drayton near Gillingham, County Dorset, England. He is the son of Sir Thomas Greene and Mary Talbot. Sir John also married a "Gillingham Greene" cousin Mary Margaret Grene born Abt. 1408 in Bridgenorth, County Shropshire, England. She was the daughter of Sir Walter De Grene and 2nd wife Lady Elizabeth Warner. (Note: Sir Walter was the son of Sir Walter b c1360, and grandson of above Sir Henry de Grene and wife Lady Katherine de Drayton.) This is when the Greene family started living mostly in Gillingham, County Dorset, England. Sir Walter and 2nd wife Lady Elizabeth also had at least one son Walter who was born Abt. 1403 in Bridgenorth, County Shropshire, England. The date of his death is unknown. There may have been other children by Sir Walter and Lady Elizabeth. Sir Walter and 1st wife Miss unknown de Sancto Ivone (b:1370-d:1400, d/o Adam de Sancto Ivone) are said to be buried at the Hayes Church, County Shropshire, England. Lady Elizabeth is buried at the Abbey Church, County Bermondsey, England.
Sir John is buried at the family church, Saint Mary the Virgin Parish Church Cemetery, Gillingham, County Dorset, England. Lady Mary Margaret, wife of Sir John, is buried in Monken Hadley Chapel, London, County Middlesex, England.
Prior Biography 2
The following biography was on a previous version of this profile
Birth: ABT 1408 in Greene's Norton, Northampshire, ENGLAND
Death: 1486 in Drayton (near Gillingham), Dorset, ENGLAND
Burial: 1486 Saint Mary the Virgin Parish Church Cemetery, Gillingham, County Dorset, ENGLAND
Event: Title (Facts Pg) Sir, Lord of Drayton
Will: 28 JAN 1432 Drayton (near Gillingham), Count Dorset, ENGLAND
Religion: Roman Catholic
Prior Biography 3
The following biography was on a previous version of this profile
Father: Thomas "Lord of Isham" GRENE b: ABT 1373 in Greene's Norton, County Northampshire, ENGLAND Mother: Ela "Lady of Isham" MALORIE b: ABT 1370 in Gillingham, County Dorset, ENGLAND
Marriage 1 Mary Margaret "Lady of Drayton" GRENE b: ABT 1408 in Bridgenorth, County Shropshire, ENGLAND
Married: ABT 1421 in County Shropshire, ENGLAND
Children
Has No Children Ralph GRENE b: 1421 in Drayton (near Gillingham), County Dorset, ENGLAND Has No Children Henry "Lord of Drayton" GRENE b: 1422 in Drayton (near Gillingham), County Dorset, ENGLAND Has Children Robert "Lord of Bowridge Hill" GRENE b: BET 1423 AND 1442 in Bowridge Hill, Gillingham, County Dorset, ENGLAND Has Children Thomas "Lord of Sudbury Manor" GRENE b: BET 1424 AND 1442 in Drayton (near Gillingham), County Dorset, ENGLAND Has Children Isabella GRENE b: ABT 1434 in Greene's Norton, County Northampshire, ENGLAND
Marriage 2 Edith "Lady" LATIMER b: 1458 in Duntish, County Dorset, ENGLAND
Married: BET 1470 AND 1480 in ENGLAND
Children
Has No Children Cicily GRENE b: ABT 1475 in Arlessey, County Bedfordshire, ENGLAND
Sources
See also:
- Lipscomb, George. The History and Antiquities of the County of Buckingham (J.&W. Robins, London, 1847) Vol. 1, Page 29
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Categories: England Managed Profiles, Pre-1500 PPP | Uncertain Existence | England, Uncertain Existence
I've written an "alternative bio" under Research Notes for the first real person (John Greene of Hardwick, Northamptonshire). I've also found a good History of Parliament source for the second, from which a reasonable bio can be constructed (John Greene of Sandwich, Kent, MP).
After discussing with others in the England Project Managed Profiles Team, the plan is to create new profiles for the real John Greenes and transfer the wife and children currently connected to this profile (who are real people) to the new profile for John Greene of Hardwick, where there are reliable sources to support this connection.
This will leave this profile for John Greene-1200 with the uncertain/disproven existence template and appropriate explanation to alert people to the problem. Thanks
The merged profile will then need sources.
Jo, England Project Managed Profiles Team
edited by Jo Fitz-Henry
Is there a pre-1500 approved England Team person who might seek correct parents for this John Green-4061. There are numerous Green/es in the UK and States who may be descended from this John Green and like to know further ancestry. His children look like 'gentry', if I'm using the work properly, who married 'gentry', e.g., de Vere.
edited by Traci Thiessen
Thank you, Lynden Raber Rodriguez