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Edward Howe migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See The Great Migration (Series 2), by R. C. Anderson, vol. 3, p. 428) Join: Puritan Great Migration Project Discuss: pgm
Edward Howe was born in England in 1573. According to the ship manifest of the Truelove (see below), he was 60 years old when he embarked from England in 1635, which would place his birth in 1575. Threlfall [1] states that he was baptized on 12 June 1573 at Ivinghoe, Buckinghamshire, England. He probably married his first wife around 1598, because he had a daughter baptized at Ivinghoe on 11 Nov 1599. Threlfall states he next appears in nearby Iver, Buckinghamshire where son Ephraim was baptized in Oct 1625. His son Isaac was baptized there in June 1628. Threlfall concludes that there were probably two wives involved in these births over a 29 year span. His second wife may have died about 1631, because there is a record of a marriage between an Edward Howe and Elizabeth Marvill on 1 October 1632 at Watton-on-Stone, Hertfordshire. Threlfall believes that this is the Elizabeth that accompanied Edward Howe on the Truelove.
According to the Truelove's manifest[2][3]
, Edward How(e) embarked with his family on the "Truelove", on 19 September 1635, John Gibbs, Master; the manifest shows:
Edward Howe, husbandman 60
Elizabeth Howe 50
Jeremie Howe 21
Sarah Howe 12
Ephriam Howe 9
Isacke Howe 7
Wm Howe 6
The Iver records cited by Threlfall agree well with the manifest. Anderson [4]accepts the Iver records, but questions whether the Edward Howe records from Ivinghoe are the same person and feels further research is needed.
On reaching this country, they settled at what is now known as Lynn,
Mass. He was admitted freeman 8 Dec. 1636. Evidently he was a
man of much ability, of good report, and a highly respected citizen.
He was chosen deputy to the General Court in 1638, and in the same
year, his name appeared on the list of land-owners in Lynn, as having
210 acres.[5]
Edward Howe died unexpectedly in April 1639. John Winthrop records in his Journal[6], "One Mr. Howe of Lynn, a godly man, and a
deputy of the last general court, after the court was ended, and he
had dined, being in health as he used to be, went to pass over to
Charlestown, and being alone, he was presently after found upon the
strand, being there (as it seemed) waiting for the boat, which came
soon after."
Marriages and Children
Married:1st - Elizabeth Unknown about 1607 based solely the estimated birth of their first known child Daniel. It has been suggested that he married as early as 1598 and had a daughter baptized in Ivinghoe, Buckinghamshire;[7] however, there is no evidence that this is the same Edward Howe or that he ever had an additional daughter. This also makes an unlikely 30 year gap between the first and last child.
Married:2nd - He possibly married Elizabeth Marvill on 1 October 1632 at Watton-on-Stone, Hertfordshire.[8] There is no evidence that the first wife ever died so this is uncertain if this marriage pertains to this Edward Howe.
Children of Edward Howe and Elizabeth Unknown:
Daniel Howe. Born about 1608 (estimate based estimated marriage date).[9][4]
Jeremiah Howe. Born about 1614 (aged 21 in 1635).[4]
Joseph Howe. Born say 1621 (based on marriage about 1646).[4]
Ephraim Howe. Baptized on 28 October 1625 in Iver, Buckinghamshire, England as "son of Edward." Aged 9 in 1635.[citation needed]
Isacke Howe. Baptized on 22 June 1628 in Iver, Buckinghamshire, England as "son of Edward." Aged 7 in 1635.[citation needed]
William Howe. Born about 1629 (aged 6 in 1635).[4]
Research Notes
Parents and baptism: Anderson in the Great Migration sketch describes Edward Howe's origins as unknown. He comments that the records identified by Threlfall for Edward Howe in Iver "fit very nicely and this identification seems likely, but the connection to Ivinghoe is not so clear. Although Threlfall did not attach Daniel Howe to this immigrant, the name Daniel does appear in the Ivinghoe family, and this claim deserves to be researched more extensively." He also notes that Thomas Cooper's identification of a christening of Daniel Howe in Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire July 8, 1604 [SCHSR 15:98] is geographically plausible and corresponds with a gap in other identified records. Great Migration, 3, pp 430-1.
Children: Five of the children were named with their parents as passengers on the Truelove, namely Jeremiah, Sarah, Ephraim, Isaac and William. Daniel Howe called Jeremiah Howe his brother. Also, two sons of Edward Howe named children Daniel. So, Daniel is another son Edward who immigrated before his parents and siblings. Joseph Howe had Ephraim Howe act as a witness to the codicil, making it likely he is another son of Edward Howe.
1st wife Elizabeth Pike: It has been suggested that his first wife was Elizabeth Pike who he married on 22 April 1610 in London, England.[10] However, there is no reason to think this marriage in London pertains to this Edward Howe of Buckinghamshire. Also, the record appears to be for an Edward Lowe and not for Edward Howe.
Sources
↑ John Brooks Threlfall, Twenty-Six Great Migration Colonists To New England & Their Origins (Madison, Wisconsin, 1993), pages 135-140
↑Immigration:
"Britain, Registers Of Licences To Pass Beyond The Seas 1573-1677"
Archive: The National Archives; Reference: E 157/20; Folio: 116 FindMyPast Image - FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 6 March 2023)
First name(s): Edward; Last name: Howe; Birth year: 1575; Age: 60; Occupation: Husbandman; Departure date: 19 Sep 1635; Departure port: London; Ship name: Truelove; Destination: New England; Regional destination: The Americas; Piece description: Register of passengers leaving the port of London for New England and other colonies, and register of licences of persons to pass beyond the seas; Piece year range: 1634-1635; Country: Great Britain.
↑ Hotten, John Camden. "The Original Lists of Persons of Quality, Emigrants, Religious Exiles...". (London, 1874): page 131.
↑ The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III. (Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2010), (Originally Published as: New England Historic Genealogical Society. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 1995). sketch of Daniel Howe.subscription$
Anderson, Robert Charles. Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, volume III, G–H. (Boston: NEHGS, 2003): pages 428-431, biography of Edward Howe. AmericanAncestors.org link.
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQFP-6T5 : 30 December 2014), Rebecca Howe, 11 Nov 1599; citing IVINGHOE,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,042,386.
Mead, Spencer P., Ye historie of ye town of Greenwich, county of Fairfield and state of Connecticut, with genealogical notes, published 1911. Reference page 569 Shows wife's name as Elizabeth ______, and children starting with Jeremiah
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Should the data birth date and place for Edward Howe be updated to reflect the 2005 research of Robert Charles Anderson? Is Threfall the source for this exact date and place? I can't access it, not online. If that is the source, Anderson mentions Threlfall in the comments of his sketch on Edward Howe, so it is quite certain he reviewed Thelfall's work, and decided that there was no basis for the exact date of birth or place. Anderson in fact says in his comments that the connection to Ivinghoe is "not so clear."
I'm also wondering what source was used for the exact death date and place in the data section.
I propose the data date and place of birth for this profile be changed to "about 1575" in "England."
Regarding the death info in the data section, I also propose the date be changed to "April 1639" and death place be changed to "Massachusetts Bay Colony."
M., I can't access it there. I get to the "View Inside" spot, click there, and it takes me back to the Digital Library page. Perhaps I can't access because of copyright?
I think the question is how is the specific date, 16 April 1639, arrived at? The journal is cited, but not quoted to give the date. Looking at Hosmer's version, Vol. 1:299, which seems to be the one cited, I read the date of that entry on page 297, bottom, as simply "(2.) (April)" Based on other entries nearby, Hosmer is 'translating' the second month for us to April, and isn't specifying a day, only the month. I don't see that 16 April is specified. Are you seeing otherwise? I do see on p. 296 an entry for March 16. Is that the source of the confusion? As for location of his death, he specifies that Howe, at the time of his demise, was awaiting the Charlestown boat (across the Mystic) after serving in the general Court, which was likely held at Boston. So I would keep Boston as the place of death.
I'm ok with everything you're written above, Thanks Bobbie. I added an archive.com link to the Winthrop Journal source.
I'm ready to change the date and place of birth to 1575 in England. per Robert Charles Anderson's "The Great Migration" here: [1]
Also ready to change the date of death to April 1639 since I cannot find an exact/complete date in Winthrop's Journal. death place: Boston, Massachusetts Bay Colony (Suffolk County wasn't formed until 1643.) see here: [2]
I'm also ready to leave notations on this profile and that of Elizabeth Marvil, and detach her as a wife.
However, I won't push it any further than this comment if we can't come to an agreement. I'll wait for a day or so, for any further discussion from any the Profile Managers? Thank you.
I'm leaning towards sticking with Anderson, with a good explanation of Threlfall's theory. Threlfall shifts the timeline quite a bit, and is suggesting three wives. If we assume that the wife he migrated with was Elizabeth Marvil, then I believe that the mother of the children would no longer be Elizabeth but Unknown Unknown. Which ever theory we go with, it would be good to be consistent.
Should we detach Elizabeth Marvill as the wife of Edward Howe; leaving research notes on both profiles? Who knows how many Edward Howes there were in England in this time frame... and since we don't know where he was born... the FamilySearch marriage record seems too scant to be applied to this profile.[1]
Robert Charles Anderson in "The Great Migration" has only one marriage. link for subscribers
Is there any reliable source which supports the claim that Thomas Howe (1598-1673) was his son? If not, that child should be detached before the merge is completed.
Howe-12919 and Howe-365 appear to represent the same person because: Clearly the same person, even though some questions persist about his wives and locations.
We are having a look at this profile right now as this person is an ancestor of the current WikiTree Challenge guests. Three questions:
1) I don't see where the names of the parents come from? Information on Edward seems to start with the ship manifest. Could the source of the information be clarified, or otherwise, should the parents be disconnected?
2) Can we go ahead and change Elizabeth Pike to Elizabeth Unknown?
3) What about the second marriage (apparently unconfirmed) to Elizabeth Merrill; should the connection remain? This is less problematic than the first two questions, since the issue is clearly discussed in the biography.
Elizabeth Pike was supposedly the 2nd of three wives (he was first married to an unknown wife about 1598). Anyway, "U.S., New England Marriages Prior to 1700" for Edward How lists her as Elizabeth ___?___. So may the second wife should be changed to Elizabeth Unknown (aka Pike).
I guess I left the "edit in progress" in place, because of Anderson's note that more research is needed. We have no new information in hand, and I removed the note.
Walter Howe, it looks like you were working on this profile back in 2015 when you added "edit in progress; more changes coming". Do we still need that at the top of the profile?
Origin of Elizabeth Marvill Gaylord as Edward's wife's name (as it appears on 1 Jun 2015) is confused. There is a record of a marriage of Edward Howe to Elizabeth Marvil in 1629, as cited in the bio. The 1613 marriage records may be based on the birth date of Jeremie Howe in 1614, but that was probably from an earlier wife. One unsourced tree record shows Elizabeth's father as Gaylord Marvill.
All three wife listings on 1 June appear to be the same person, but if Threlfall's conclusions are correct, he probably had three wives. The common birth date of 1585 for all three listed, probably comes from Elizabeth's age 50 on the ship manifest and no other source.
per comments on their profiles.
edited by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
I'm also wondering what source was used for the exact death date and place in the data section.
I propose the data date and place of birth for this profile be changed to "about 1575" in "England."
Regarding the death info in the data section, I also propose the date be changed to "April 1639" and death place be changed to "Massachusetts Bay Colony."
https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/great-migration-immigrants-to-new-england-1634-1635-volume-iii-g-h/image?pageName=429
Comments, discussion on my proposals? Thank you.
Here's the link to the opening of the Threlfall/Howe sketch on FSL film 1697981 (Item 7), digital collection (DGS) 7561274, image 1481 of 1608, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8964-HCDN?i=1480&cat=640687
You'll have to arrow forward to view the pages that follow. --Gene
edited by GeneJ X
edited by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
I'm ready to change the date and place of birth to 1575 in England. per Robert Charles Anderson's "The Great Migration" here: [1]
Also ready to change the date of death to April 1639 since I cannot find an exact/complete date in Winthrop's Journal. death place: Boston, Massachusetts Bay Colony (Suffolk County wasn't formed until 1643.) see here: [2]
I'm also ready to leave notations on this profile and that of Elizabeth Marvil, and detach her as a wife.
However, I won't push it any further than this comment if we can't come to an agreement. I'll wait for a day or so, for any further discussion from any the Profile Managers? Thank you.
Robert Charles Anderson in "The Great Migration" has only one marriage. link for subscribers
1) I don't see where the names of the parents come from? Information on Edward seems to start with the ship manifest. Could the source of the information be clarified, or otherwise, should the parents be disconnected?
2) Can we go ahead and change Elizabeth Pike to Elizabeth Unknown?
3) What about the second marriage (apparently unconfirmed) to Elizabeth Merrill; should the connection remain? This is less problematic than the first two questions, since the issue is clearly discussed in the biography.
Many thanks for your help!
edited by Isabelle (Rassinot) Martin
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/3824/images/gpc_newenglandmarriages-0408?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=566ebe4b5671d8af3718c252f7056245&usePUB=true&_phsrc=DBj3269&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.232700383.1394858847.1605060299-69617887.1575390212&pId=54575
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKGJ-NXP : 13 March 2020), Elizabeth Pike in entry for Edward Lowe, 1610.
Marriage is in the wrong time, in the wrong place, to the wrong man. Elizabeth Pike needs to be changed to Elizabeth Unknown.
Thanks!
All three wife listings on 1 June appear to be the same person, but if Threlfall's conclusions are correct, he probably had three wives. The common birth date of 1585 for all three listed, probably comes from Elizabeth's age 50 on the ship manifest and no other source.