Alexander (Irvine) Irvine Vth of Drum (abt. 1432 - 1493)

Born about 1432 in Drum, Aberdeen Scotland

Ancestors

Husband of Elizabeth (Forbes) Forbes Lady Irvine — married about 1450 in Drum, Aberdeenshire, Scotland

Husband of Unknown (Lindsay) Irvine — married about 1460 (to 1493) in Scotland

Descendants

Died Dec 1493 at about age 61 in Aberdeen, Scotland

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Biography

Alexander (Irvine) Irvine Vth of Drum was born in Scotland.

Alexander (Irvine) Irvine Vth of Drum is a member of Clan Irvine.

Married 1st to Elizabeth Forbes, children are Alexander (heir), Richard (1st of Craigton), Henry (1st of Kingcausie), Agnes and Elizabeth. Page 197 Forbes Leslie.

2nd to ? Lindsay, Children 8 daughters including Margaret who married a Chalmers. Janet and possibly another son Alexander. Page 58, Forbes Leslie.

Had a separate relationship with Nannys Menzies, no legal document records a marriage but he provide for their children David, Alexander, John and Agnes in his will. ^[1]

7th June, 1446. King James II, granted a charter to Sir Alexander Erwyn of Drume, of the lands of Largnye, in the barony of Neale in Coule, on the resignation of John de Haliburton of Saulyne. (Drum Papers.) Page 202, Forbes Leslie.

Alexander Irvine of Drum succeeded his grandfather in July 1456 at which time the name underwent a change and lost its prefix de Irwyn or de Irvine and can now be considered as Irvine. Page 51, Forbes Leslie.

Alexander Irvine, 5th of Drum, was served heir to his grandfather 3 November 1457. While Sheriff of Aberdeenshire in 1471, he attacked the house of Sir Walter Lindsay of Bewfort with a force of men, for which offence, by judgement of the Lords of Council, he was dismissed that office and ordered to suffer imprisonment; how much of this decree was carried into effect is not clear; married 1st Elizabeth, 3rd daughter of 1st Lord Forbes and had issue. Page 1358, Burke.

Early notes on the family describe the Alexander as shortly and "stout man, albeit vitious". Stout is used in the sense of daring as events proved. Alexander was a very turbulent character and was frequently involved in quarrels. Page 51, Forbes Leslie. Page 332, Temple.

In 1471 as Sheriff of Aberdeen he assembled a warlike body of horse and foot and at night attacked the house of Sir Walter Lindesay of Bewfort, described as a powerful baron of great talent and unscrupulous ambition. Sir Walter summoned Alexander of Drum to answer for the attack before the Lords of Auditors. In 1472 he was arrested for attaching Walter Lindsay at night with sixty armed men. He was remanded to the Castle of Berwick at his own expenses until freed by his sovereign. Page 332, Temple. Page 52, Forbes Leslie.

1471. Precept by George, Earl of Huntly, to his Baillies for infefting Alexander Irwyn, son and heir of Alexdr Irwyn, in the lands of Beldys. Pages 5-6, Forbes Leslie.

1475. Precept of sasine to Sir Gilbert Keith of Inverugy, and Willm Aberdour, joint Sheriffs of Aberdeenshire, to give seisin of the lands of Lumnay, Garness, etc., to Alexdr Irwyne and his spouse, Janet Keith. Page 71, Forbes Leslie.

1478. Indenture between Alexander Irwin of Drum and Alexander Cummyn, son and heir-apparent of William Gummyn of Culter. Pages 6-8, Forbes Leslie.

On 19 August 1478 Alexander is legally seizing property from the Cummyn family and apparently 1483, with the Kings blessing, the lands and castle of Inverallochy. Page 53, Forbes Leslie.

1483. Deed of resignation of the lands and castle of Inveralochuy by Alexander Gummyn, son and heir of the late William Cummyn of Culter. And, also in 1483, deed of sale by the said Alexander Cummyn to his uncle, Alexander Irvine of Drum, of the said lands and castle of Inveialochquhy. Pages 104-5, Forbes Leslie.

In 1485, Alexander Irvine of Drum supported by John Allardes of the Ilk, gained the lands of Fulsemonth in the barony of Auchindore. Page 53, Forbes Leslie.

1485. Bond of support by John Allardes of that ilk, to Alexdr Irwin of Drum. Page 12, Forbes Leslie.

1457 & 1493. Sir Alexander Irvine of Drum, who succeeded in 1457, and died in 1493, had by his first wife Elizabeth (daughter of Alexander, 1st Lord Forbes) three sons and one daughter. The sons were Alexander, his successor; 2nd, Richard of Craigton, from whom are descended the Irvines of Hiitoun; and 3rd, Henry, from whom are descended the Irvines of Kingcaussie. (MS. Drum Papers.) Page 197, Forbes Leslie.

Alexander Irwyn of Drum married Marian Forbes, daughter of Lord Forbes, who is mentioned in a deed of date 1494. They had 3 sons and 1 daughter. Page 332, Temple.

The Laird of Drum became jealous of his lady Marioun Forbes and his Chaplin, Sir Edward Mackdowall and order him seized with the outrage perpetrated on the Chaplin in the Tower of Drum. For this act it is said that the baron obtained a pardon from the pope and a remission from the king. "Pro crudeli dismembratione in suo loco de Drum Domini Edwardi Makdowell capellani". Page 54/55. Forbes Leslie

In 1481 Alexander paid homage to the Abbot of Arbroth. Alexander was to be responsible for the abbey vassal’s march and riding to war. Page 332, Temple.

In 1487 Alexander and others were charged and placed in jail at Balgowie for the slaughter of Alexander Fraser and George Tailzeour. Page 332, Temple.

1487. Note regarding mortgage of an annual rent from the land of Oures mortgaged by Alexander Irvine of Drum to Alexander of Keith. Pages 90-91, Forbes Leslie.

1487. Pardon by King James III. to Alexander Irwin and others for the premeditated and felonious slaughter of Sir Alexander Fraser of Philorth, his son, and George Taiiseour at the Bridge of Balgony And for the mutilation of Sir Edward Makdowell, chaplain, at the place of Drum. Page 6 Forbes Leslie.

1491. Precept and saisin of William Fresal, son and heir of the late Alexander Fresal (Fraser) of Durris. Pages 8-9, Forbes Leslie.

1492. Pardon by King James IV to Alexander Irwin of Lunmay and others for forcibly taking the place and fortalice of Inverallochquhy. Pages 49-50 Forbes Leslie.

On 11 February 1492 the Lords of Council ordered Alexander Irvine of Drum to desist from occupying lands of Dulmaok and Petbrachan, "the property of a reverand father William Bishop of Aberdeen". As his grandfather had formally resigned all rights to these church lands. The occupation of these lands shows that the terrors or powers of the church were unable to check Alexanders encroaching spirit and the church required the authority of the Lords Council. Page 56, Forbes Leslie

Sir Alexander, 6th of Drum, Sheriff of Aberdeen 1492, received Lonmay and Cairness from his father in 1475, and succeeded his father in the lands of Drum 1493. He had a Charter of Drum from King James IV 26 February 1506, and married 8 July 1475, Janet daughter of of Sir Gilbert Keith, 3rd of Inverugie and 1st of Ludquharm and died December 1527 having isssue. Page 1358, Burke.

From the Council Register of Aberdeen that on 27 August 1493, before magistrates in court "Compeared ane right noble and honorable man Alexander Irvine of Drum" made provision for his children whose mother was Nannys Menzies, David, Alexander, John, and Agnes. There is no legal document proving this marriage, Page 333, Temple. Page 57, Forbes Leslie.

1493. Sir Alexander Irvine of Drum, who died in 1493, had by his first wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Alexander, first Lord Eorbes, three sons and one daughter. The sons were: (1) Alexander, (2) Richard, and (3) Henry. Sir Alexander Irvine was succeeded by his eldest son, Alexander. The second son, Richard Irvine, married Elizabeth Fraser, daughter to the laird of Durris. Who bore to him Archibald Trvine of Craigtoune, who married Marjory Lumsden, one of the nine sisters of Cushnie (of whom are come many good families, as Forbes of Corse, etc.), and had by her a son Richard Irvine of Hilton. (MS. Drum Papers.) Page 193, Forbes Leslie.

Archibald Irvine of Craigtoune, who married Marjory Lumsden, one of the nine sisters of Cushnie (of whom are come many good families, as Forbes of Corse, etc.), and had by her a son Eichard Irvine of Hilton. (MS. Drum Papers.) Forbes Leslie. Alexander Irwyn of Drum died before 1494 and was succeed by his son Alexander by his wife Marion Forbes. December 1493 according to Forbes on page 57. Page 1358, Burke.

Sources

1. ↑ Leslie, Jonathan Forbes, 1798-1877 : The Irvines Of Drum And Collateral Branches : Free Download, Borrow, And Streaming : Internet Archive". 2021. Internet Archive. Nannys Menzeis, pg 57

http://www.thepeerage.com/p44746.htm#i447458

Family of Elizabeth Forbes 1430. http://geneagraphie.com/.

The Thanage of Fermartyn by William Temple 1894 Pub Wyllie & Son, Aberdeen.

The Scottish Nation or the historical and genealogical account of all Scottish families and surnames, Vol II BAL-MAC, Pages 537 to 544. James MacVeigh, Pub 1889, Dumfries.

Burkes Landed Gentry, Sir Bernard Burke, Pages 1358-60. Editor L G Pine, Pun 1953, 17th Edition.