Jean Baptiste (LeSieur) Lesieur (1686 - 1740)

Born 27 Jul 1686 in Bastican, Canada, Nouvelle-France

Ancestors

Husband of Élisabeth Rivard — married 30 Jul 1707 in Batiscan, Champlain, Canada, Nouvelle-France

Descendants

Died 22 Apr 1740 at age 53 in Yamachiche, Canada, Nouvelle-France

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Biography

Jean-Baptiste Lesieur was born 27 Jul 1686 in Bastican, to Charles Lesieur and Françoise Lafond.

He married Élisabeth Rivard dite Laglanderie, the daughter of Julien Rivard dit Laglanderie & Elisabeth Tune(z) dite Dufresne in 1707. They had 14 children.

He died April 22, 1740 in Yamachiche,

From a letter dated 23 September 1984 written to Mary Elizabeth "Peggy" Desaulniers Brandt by Gerald R.L. Desaulniers, who with his brother Lionel E. L. Desaulniers researched the Desaulniers family all over the world from the end of F.L. Desaulniers (author of Les Vieilles Familles D'Yamachiche) to the present day:

During the reign of Louis XIII of France, fifteen years after the treaty of St-Germain-en-Laye by which England returned Canada and Acadia to France, and five years after Maissonneuve founded Montreal, Charles Lesieur was born in the Parish of D’Osville, Coutances Diocese, Lower Normandy, France in 1647.

After coming to Cap-de-la-Madeleine, Quebec, Canada in 1670, he was conceded “un arrière-chef” by Jesuit Richard. It was at this point he was given the title “Sieur de la Pierre.”

In 1672 he made an advantageous marriage with Françoise de LaFond, daughter of Etienne de LaFond and Marie Boucher, who was the sister of Pierre Boucher, Governor of Trois-Rivières. This connection allowed him to increase considerably his land holdings. He soon acquired “un autre domaine”—this time in Batiscan with the Jesuits. He was charged with much of the business and land administration for the Jesuits. By 1869 he had become Royal notary and official tax collector (Procureur fiscal).

Death came early to Charles at fifty years of age on 15 January 1697, leaving François with eight children. Charles, first born son, was 23 years old at the time. Julien, the second son, was 20.

Jean-Baptiste, born 27 July 1686, our direct line sire and the first Desaulniers, was only 11 years old.

When in 1702 Pierre Boucher, Governor of Trois Rivières, realized that his niece Marie and her young family had worked hard and survived well for five years after the death of Charles, he called Charles and Julien, the two oldest sons, to Boucherville, at which time he allocated a “Seigneurie” to them in Yamachiche. The transfer and ownership of this land automatically conferred on them the title of Seigneur. By 1703, Charles and Julien moved on to their land in Yamachiche and with the help of “censitaires” started to remove the brush.

On 20 July 1707, Jean-Baptiste, our direct sire, married Élisabeth Rivard-Laglanderie. He had a place near the river where alder trees abounded, hence Des aulnes became Desaulniers. Jean-Baptiste took the name Desaulniers and was known as Jean-Baptiste Lesieur-Desaulniers. According to church records, the letter “l” was not used in the name in the first four generations.

Jean-Baptiste and Elisabeth had thirteen children. Large families were common in those days as the King of France, Louis XIII, paid a handsome bonus to families over ten children.

Eight of those thirteen* children died as adults within a nine week period during the winter of 1756.

Some information about the deaths:

Desaulniers child Birth Order Death Age Pierre 6th, 8 Jan 1756 at 32; Jean-Baptiste 1st, 16 Jan 1756 at 48; Etienne 13th, 26 Jan 1756 at 20; Charles 9th, 12 Feb 1756 at 31; Louis François 4th, 17 Feb 1756 at 41; Joseph 6th, 23 Feb 1756 at 37; M. Catherine 11th, 7 Mar 1756 at 27

NOTE: This record is missing from the register, unless the dates were confused, date give for him is actually his younger brother's funeral date: Etienne -Antoine 3rd, 26 Jan 1756 at 42;

In none of the funeral records is there mention of the cause of death. None of them appear to have received the last rites prior to death, which is usually mentioned in such records.

Marie Catherine does not appear to be part of the mystery, as she had just borne a child to her second husband Louis Millet on the same day. Deaths in childbirth were common.

This is quite a mystery, as a search of all other families living nearby at that time showed only a few deaths.

One possibility I considered: Joseph dit Coulombe, uncle to the deceased, had married Catherine Adouin, Indian princess, daughter of an Illinois chief. Smallpox was a scourge, especially among Indians at that time. Also, their son John Baptiste Lesieur-Coulombe and his wife Françoise died in 1756, on 4 and 5 Feb. But a report exists that at the time of their deaths a Coulombe was guarding an Indian village while the warriors were out hunting when an enemy tribe attacked and scalped young Coulombe. So their deaths may be a separate tragedy.

Finally, the seven Desaulniers males who died in 1756 collectively had 55 children, none of whom died in 1756. The possibility seems remote that eight members of one family living in scattered parts of the community could contract and die of smallpox without deaths reported among families and neighbors. Therefore the tragedy remains a mystery.

The twenty males who escaped this tragedy went on to spread the Desaulniers name far and wide. My research in “Les Vieilles Familles d’Yamachiche indicated 310 Desaulniers males in circulation around 1850. Today, in September 1984, our direct line extends to the 10th generation, a long path from Yamachiche of 1686.

Notes frm jdesaul_1

• I count 14 children
  • I mainly see records indicating her name as Madeleine.

mariejanelle mariejanelle originally shared this to Arbre généalogique de S Desaulniers

Family PRDH

Family of Jean Baptiste Lesieur Desaulmiers & Marie Elisabeth Rivard Laglanderie Couple No. 10063

Jean Baptiste Lesieur Desaulniers

Father: Charles Lesieur Lapierre

Mother: Francoise Lafond

Marie Elisabeth Rivard Laglanderie

Father: Julien Rivard Laglanderie

Mother: Elisabeth Tune Dufresne

Marriage: 1707-07-30 Batiscan

Children born before 1800:

1. Jean Baptiste b 1708-05-05 Batiscan; m. 1737-08-12 Yamamiche; d 1756-01-16 Yamamiche; Spouse - Marie Marguerite Lamy

2. Augustin b 1708-12-21 Batiscan; m 1737-11-18 Riviere-du-Loup (Louiseville); d 1748-05-15 Yamamiche: Spouse - Marie Josephe Frigon

3. Etienne b 1711-12-16 Batiscan

4. Louis b 1714-09-10 Batiscan; m 1738-02-17 Yamamiche; d 1756-02-17; Spouse- Marie Charlotte Frigon

5. Marie Francoise b 1717-04-25 Riviere-du-Loup (Louiseville); m 1746-05-30 Yamamiche; d 1770-02-22: Spouse-Jean Baptiste Gelinas Bellemare

6. Joseph b 1717-04-25 Riviere-du-Loup (Louiseville); m 1743-08-13 Yamamiche; d 1756-02-23: Spouse-Marie Josephe Gelinas Lacourse

7. Marie Elisabeth b 1722-11-23 Yamamiche; m 1742-03-16 Yamamiche; d 1753-06-13 Yamamiche: spouse-Etienne Lamy

8. Pierre b 1724-10-28 Yamamiche; m 1751-02-08 Riviere-du-Loup (Louiseville); d 1756-01-08 Yamamiche: Spouse-Marie Anne Josephe Saucier

9. Charles b bef 1726 unknown location in Quebec; m 1749-03-10 Ste Genevieve de Batiscan; d 1756-02-12 Yamamiche: Spouse-Marie Josephe Lefebvre Villemure

10. Marie Louise b 1727-01-19 Yamamiche; m 1744-11-23 Yamamiche; d unknown: Spouse-Antoine Gelinas

11. Marie Catherine b 1729-01-17 Yamamiche; 1744-02-17 Yamamiche; d 1756-03-06 Yamamiche: Spouse-Alexis Gelinas

12. Marie Josephe b 1731-06-28 Yamamiche; m 1753-03-05 Yamamiche; d 1798-08-13 Yamamiche: Spouse-Robert Rivard Bellefeuille

13. Francois b 1734-05-30 Yamamiche; m 1758-09-26 Yamamiche; d unknown: Spouse-Marie Madeleine Toutant

14. Etienne b 1736-11-07 Yamamiche; m --; d 1756-01-26 Yamamiche: ^[1]

Death

Name: Jean Lesieur Death Date: 22 Apr 1740 City: Batiscan State: Pq Country: Canada

Sources

• Image of jean baptiste Lesieur Desaulniers m M elisabeth Rivard Laglanderie 1707 family PRDH www.genealogy.umontreal.ca

Family of Jean Baptiste Lesieur Desaulmiers & Marie Elisabeth Rivard Laglanderie Couple No. 10063

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• Excerpt from ...

Les vielles familles d'Yamachiche: trois généalogies, v. 2 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2008. Original data: François Lesieur Desaulniers. Les vielles familles d'Yamachiche: trois généalogies, v. 2. [Montreal]: [s.n.], 1899. [3]

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History of the Desaulniers family, along with the mystery of the 1756 deaths. [6]

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The small order of catkin-bearing trees, the Betulaceae, includes only the two genera Betula, the Birches, and Alnus, the Alders. These are mainly distinguished by the character that, whilst in the Birch the scales constituting the fruit-bearing catki... Read more » [7]

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Source: L'Abbe D Tanguay, ADS, Dictionnaire Genealogique des Familles Canadiennes Depuis la Fondation de la Colonie Jusqu'a Nos Jours, Cinquieme Volume, Depuis 1608 jusqu'a 1700, Eusebe Senecal, 1888. Volume/Page: 369, 370 Source Information: Genealogical Research Library, Ontario, Canada. Canadian Genealogy Index, 1600s-1900s [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005. Original data: Compiled from various family history sources. See source information provided with each entry. [10]

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• Family Data Collection - Individual Recordsg

Name: Jean Baptiste Lesieur Dit Lesieur Spouse: Marie Elizabeth Rivard Dit Rivard Parents: Charles Lesieur, Francoise Lafond Birth Place: Batiscan, Pq Birth Date: 27 Jul 1686 Marriage Place: Batiscan, Pq Marriage Date: 30 Jul 1707 Death Place: Batiscan, Pq, Canada Death Date: 22 Apr 1740

Source Citation: Birth year: 1686; Birth city: Batiscan; Birth state: Pq. Source Information: Edmund West, comp.. Family Data Collection - Individual Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000. [13]

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Name: Jean Baptiste Lesieur Gender: Male Birth Date: 1701 Spouse: Elizabeth Rivard Children: Josette Desaulniers-lesieur [14]

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Name: Jean-Baptiste Lesieur Relationship to Head: Enfant (Child) Baptism Date: (27 Jul 1686) Baptism Place: Batiscan Father's Name: Charles Lesieur Mother's name: Françoise Lafond Marriage Date: (30 Jul 1707) Marriage Place: Batiscan Spouse's Name: Elisabeth Rivard Burial Date: (22 Apr 1740) Burial Place: Yamachiche

1707, 30 Jul Batiscan II.--LeSieur (dit Desaulniers, 1714), Jean-Bte )son of Chrles I. b1686; bur 22 Apr 1740 Yamamiche

Spouse: Rivard, Elisabeth (dtr of Julien II.) b 1689

Children: Jean-Baptiste b 5 May 1708; m 12 Aug 1737 to Marguerite Lamy; bur 16 Jan 1756

Augustin b 21 Dec 1709; m 18 Nov 1734 to Marie-Joseph Grigon at Riviere-du-Loup; bur 15 May 1748

Etienne b 16 Dec 1711

Louis-Francois b 10 Sept 1714; First marriage 17 Feb 1738 to Marie-Charlotte Frigon; 2nd marriage 16 Apr 1747 to Louise Lemay; bur 17 Feb 1756

Joseph b 18 May 1717; m 13 Aug 1743 to Marie-Joseph Gelina; bur 23 Feb 1756

Marie-Francoise b 18 May 1717; m 30 May 1746 to Jean-Baptiste Gelina

Marie-Elisabeth b 30 Nov 1722; m 16 Mar 1742 to Etienne Lamy

Pierre b 28 Oct 1724 bur 8 Jan 1756

Charles b 1726; mar Marie-Joseph Lefebvre

Marie-Louise b 19 Jan 1727; m 23 Nov 1744 to Antoine Gelina

Marie-Catherine b 22 Jan 1729; m 17 Feb 1744 to Alexis Gelina; 2nd mar 7 Jan 1754 to Louis Milet; bur 7 Mar 1756

Marie-Joseph b 9 Jul 1731

Francois b 30 may 1734; m 26 Sept 1758 to Madeleine Toutan

Etienne-Antoine b 7 Nov 1736; bur 26 Jan 1756

Source Citation: Volume: Vol. 5 Sect. 2 : Lei-Mer; Page: 369. Source Information: Ancestry.com. Quebec, Genealogical Dictionary of Canadian Families (Tanguay Collection), 1608-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2011. Original data: Tanguay, Cyprien. Dictionnaire généalogique des familles canadiennes depuis la fondation de la colonie jusqu'à nos jours. Québec, Canada: Eusèbe Senécal, 1871-1890. Library and Archives Canada, Ottawa, Canada. [15]

• Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967

Source Information: Ancestry.com. Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008. Original data: Gabriel Drouin, comp. Drouin Collection. Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Institut Généalogique Drouin. [16]

Footnotes

1. ↑ www.genealogy.umontreal.ca

   Family of Jean Baptiste Lesieur Desaulmiers & Marie Elisabeth Rivard Laglanderie Couple No. 10063 [1]

Acknowledgments

• Thank you to Kevin Babiuk for creating WikiTree profile Lesieur-19 through the import of WikiTree.ged on Feb 17, 2013. Click to the Changes page for the details of edits by Kevin and others.