1850 United States Federal Census[1]
Name: John Madison
Gender: Male
Age: 66
Birth Year: abt 1784
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1850: Cumberland, Cumberland, Kentucky, USA
Occupation: Farmer
Industry: Agriculture
Real Estate: 220
Cannot Read, Write: Y
Line Number: 19
Dwelling Number: 423
Family Number: 423
Household Members:
Name Age
John Madison 66
Isabelle Madison 64
Adaline Madison 23
Harold Madison 12
Albert Madison 10
Wm Mainer 24
Malissa Mainer 23
1860 United States Federal Census, Edmonson, Kentucky[2]
Name: John Mastison [John Madison]
Age: 74
Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Birth Place: North Carolina
Home in 1860: Edmonson, Kentucky
Post Office: Brownsville
Dwelling Number: 379
Family Number: 382
Personal Estate Value: 200
Cannot Read, Write: Y
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mastison 74 [Madison]
Iby Mastison 65 [Madison]
Albert Mastison 17 [Madison]
1870 United States Federal Census[3]
Name: John Madison
Age in 1870: 86
Birth Year: abt 1784
Birthplace: North Carolina
Dwelling Number: 155
Home in 1870: Cuivre, Pike, Missouri
Gender: Male
Post Office: Bowling Green
Male Citizen over 21: Y
Household Members:
Name Age
Descendant of Col. James Madison and of Col. George Hancock, of Virginia.
Daughter of John Robinson Madison and Lousanna Smith, his wife.
Granddaughter of John H. Madison and Elizabeth Hancock, his wife.
Gr-granddaughter of Thomas Madison and Susanna Henry, his wife; ::George Hancock and Margaret Strother, his wife.
Gr-gr-granddaughter of James Madison and Nellie Rose Conway, his wife.
James Madison (1723-1801) was chairman of the Committee of Safety of Orange County and colonel of militia for home defense.
His sons, Ambrose and William, gave valiant service: He was born in Virginia ; died at Montpelier, Albemarle County.Also Nos. 3047, 4662, 6964, 8051.
George Hancock (1755-1820) was colonel of infantry in the Virginia Line. He was captured at the siege of Savannah and imprisoned a long time before an exchange was effected. He was born and died in Virginia.Also No. 3732.
Sources
↑ 1850 United States Federal Census: Year: 1850; Census Place: Cumberland, Cumberland, Kentucky; Roll: M432_197; Page: 308B; Image: 431
↑ 1860 United States Federal Census: Year: 1860; Census Place: Edmonson, Kentucky; Page: 59; Family History Library Film: 803365
↑ 1870 United States Federal Census : Year: 1870; Census Place: Cuivre, Pike, Missouri; Roll: M593_798; Page: 135B; Family History Library Film: 552297
↑ North America, Family Histories, 1500-2000: Book Title: Lineage Book : NSDAR : Volume 142 : 1918 ; page 322
Virginia, Select Marriages, 1785-1940
North America, Family Histories, 1500-2000 Book Title: Lineage Book : NSDAR : Volume 064 : 1907; http://www.Ancestry.com
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It may be possible to confirm family relationships with John by comparing test results with other carriers of his Y-chromosome or his mother's mitochondrial DNA.
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I am not sure THIS John Henry Madison is the right one. Madison-1029 seems to be more accurate as he has a child with the middle name of Strother which is his father's mother's maiden name. Also, the dates are all wrong - Madison-338's wife Elizabeth Hancock was 9 when she was married and 52 when she had Albert.
I am confident that the James Henry Madison who married Elizabeth Hancock in 1797 in Botetourt VA is the correct descendant of Thomas Madison and Susannah Henry. (see the DAR lineage book excerpt attached) The DAR lineage book shows the following – the Madison lineage down through John Robinson Madison which is shown here..
Elizabeth Hancock is the daughter of George Hancock and Margaret Strother - so you can't count on naming conventions as a rationale for this instance.
I also agree that the dates are suspicious which is why they are marked “Uncertain”…There is very little specific information on dates during this time and the census info is never reliable. He would have been at least 18 years old to marry – to that would place his birth in 1778 and I agree that her birth is inconsistent too for a marriage of 1797. This might be a transcription error”?? Her first son was born 1814
There are written histories about the Madison, Hancock, and Strother families. They were very influential families and frequently intermarried. (i.e. money and power). They also named their kids the same name…so it is hard to distinguish.
I would question why we started calling her "Isabelle" Elizabeth Hancock and if the census information provided above is for the right family ?
I would recommend getting the G2G experts involved in this genealogy problem and see if they can help.
Madison-1017 and Madison-715 do not represent the same person because: this should be merged into Madison-338 in order to merge into lowest numbered profile - please accept this and I can merge test and sources
Madison-1017 and Madison-338 appear to represent the same person because: these are the same people - I am trying to consolidate the duplicates, please accept this merge
I am not sure THIS John Henry Madison is the right one. Madison-1029 seems to be more accurate as he has a child with the middle name of Strother which is his father's mother's maiden name. Also, the dates are all wrong - Madison-338's wife Elizabeth Hancock was 9 when she was married and 52 when she had Albert.
Elizabeth Hancock is the daughter of George Hancock and Margaret Strother - so you can't count on naming conventions as a rationale for this instance.
I also agree that the dates are suspicious which is why they are marked “Uncertain”…There is very little specific information on dates during this time and the census info is never reliable. He would have been at least 18 years old to marry – to that would place his birth in 1778 and I agree that her birth is inconsistent too for a marriage of 1797. This might be a transcription error”?? Her first son was born 1814
There are written histories about the Madison, Hancock, and Strother families. They were very influential families and frequently intermarried. (i.e. money and power). They also named their kids the same name…so it is hard to distinguish.
I would question why we started calling her "Isabelle" Elizabeth Hancock and if the census information provided above is for the right family ?
I would recommend getting the G2G experts involved in this genealogy problem and see if they can help.