Sir
Thomas
"4th Earl of Salisbury"
Montagu
KG
aka Montacute
Born in England
Ancestors 
Brother of
Margaret (Montagu) Ferrers, Alan Buxhull [half], Anne (Montagu) Hankford, Elizabeth (Montagu) Willoughby and Richard Montagu
Husband of
Eleanor (Holland) de Montagu
— married
23 May 1399 [location unknown]
Husband of
Alice (Chaucer) de la Pole
— married
before Jun 1424 [location unknown]
Descendants 
Father of
Alice (Montagu) Neville
Died
at about age 40
in Meung-sur-Loire, France
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Biography
Thomas Montagu, K.G., 4th Earl of Salisbury, Lord Montagu, Count of Perche[1]
- Thomas was the son and heir[1] of
- John Montagu, K.G., 3rd Earl of Salisbury, Lord Montagu, Lord Monthermer[1] (2nd Baron of Montacute & Monthermer), Deputy Earl Marshal of England[2] and
- Maud Fraunceys, daughter of Adam Fraunceys, Knt., by Agnes, daughter and co-heiress of William Champneys.[1]
- Thomas Montagu, born in 1388 (aged 12 in 1400, 24 in 1415), was baptized at Shenley, Hertfordshire in March 1388.[1][3][4]
- Thomas married twice:
- on or before 23 May 1399, Eleanor Holand, born 29 November 1384,[1][5] daughter of Thomas de Holand, K.G., 2nd Earl of Kent, and Alice, daugther of Sir Richard de Arundel[1] (Alice FitzAlan of Arundel)[5]
- before June 1424, Alice Chaucer,[1] granddaughter of the poet Geoffrey Chaucer,[2] daughter of Thomas Chaucer, Esq., Speaker of the House, Chief Butler to Kings Richard II and Henry IV, and Maud Burghersh.[6] Thomas and Alice had no children.[1]
- Alice Montagu, married Richard Neville, K.G., 5th Earl of Salisbury[1]
- Joan Montagu[1]
- By an unknown mistress, Thomas had an illegitimate son, John.[7]
- Thomas was "summoned to Parliament as Earl of Salisbury October 1409."[1] "Thomas (de Montacute) 7th Earl of Salisbury" was made Knight of the Garter after 8 January 1413/14.[8] "Montagu... spent most of the rest of his life as a soldier in France, leading troops in the various skirmishes and sieges that were central to that part of the Hundred Years' War. In 1425 he captured the city of Le Mans and fought at the Siege of Orléans in 1428 at which he lost his life."[2][9]
- Thomas Montague, considered the most effective English military commander of his time, was leading English forces in France when he was mortally wounded.[2][10] He died 3 November 1428 at Meung-sur-Loire, near Beaugency, "of wounds received a few days previously during the Siege of Orléans."[1][11]
- 'The will of "Thomas Montacute Earl of Salisbury, Perch, and Lord Monthermer", undated, chose burial "at Bustleham" [Bisham], bequeathed property to "my uncle Richard de Montacute Knight...John my bastard son"...'[5]
- "Sir Thomas Montagu, 4th Earl of Salisbury, Count of Perche,... was buried at Bisham Priory, Berkshire. His widow, Alice, married (3rd) by license dated 11 Nov. 1430 William [de la] Pole, K.G."[1]
Research Notes
Although many sources say he was at Harfleur and Agincourt,[12] Richardson quotes from "Nicholas Hist. of the Battle of Agincourt (1827)":[1]
- "... nor, though the earl of Salisbury contracted to furnish a certain number of followers, does it appear he was either at Harfleur or Agincourt [in 1415]"
Sources
- ↑ 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 1.15 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Volume IV, pages 120-124, MONTAGU #9, #10 Thomas Montagu, K.G.
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 Wikipedia contributors, "Thomas Montagu, 4th Earl of Salisbury," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia (accessed August 7, 2018).
- ↑ #Wikipedia says 13 June 1388, apparently citing Lundy's database, which says "before 13 June 1388" (citing an e-mail, see database for details):
- Thomas Montagu, "thepeerage" (website, compiled by Darryl Lundy, Ngaio, Wellington, New Zealand; accessed 8 August 2018)
- ↑ Birth location of "Salisbury, Wiltshire" was deleted from profile's datafield. Richardson's entry for Thomas Montagu in Royal Ancestry does not give a birth location, nor do the entries for him posted by #Wikipedia, #Lewis, #Lundy, or #Cawley (checked on 8 August 2018). The location is apparently from an unsourced Pedigree File:
- "Pedigree Resource File," database (FamilySearch : accessed 22 July 2018), entry for (Sir) THOMAS DE MONTAGUE (Knight of the Garter); "2018 recovered tree - July" file (2:2:2:MM6D-K79), submitted 13 July 2018 by HummingbirdAbernathy [identity withheld for privacy].
- ↑ 5.0 5.1 5.2 Thomas de Montagu, entry in the database Medieval Lands: A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families by Charles Cawley © Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, 2000-2018. (Accessed 8 August 2018.)
- ↑ Sir Thomas de Montagu, Lord Montagu, 4th Earl Salisbury, Count of Alencon & Perche, Lord of Auvilliers, Courville, La Rivière-Thibouville, La Fertè-Frênel, & Neubourg, Lt. Gen. of Normandy & Maine, Governor of Champagne & Brie, "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed 8 August 2018), citing Richardson's works, including
- Magna Carta Ancestry, Volume III, pages 159-162
- Royal Ancestry, Volume III, pages 208-209
- Plantagenet Ancestry, page 689
- ↑ Named in Thomas's (undated) will.
- ↑ William Arthur Shaw and George Dames Burtchaell, The Knights of England. A complete record from the earliest time to the present day..., page 9 (accessed 8 August 2018)
- ↑ See the Wikisource page on him from Encylopædia Britannica for additional details of his military campaigns. See also #Research Notes, above.
- ↑ Wikipedia: Siege of Orléans.
- ↑ The death location datafield previously had "Meung-sur-Loire, Beaugency, Loiret, Centre, France" but no text to support it - perhaps the modern name?
- ↑ For example, #Wikipedia, citing the Dictionary of National Biography's article on Thomas de Montacute by William Hunt (accessed 8 August 2018).
- See also:
- Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), available in "snippit view" at Google Books.
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Only Meung-sur-Loire is cited in text, which describes it as "near Beaugency," and quotes Richardson as saying Thomas died "of wounds received a few days previously during the Siege of Orléans."
Could someone better at geography than I am take a look? WikiTree guidelines say to "use their conventions, not ours", meaning the location should be what Thomas would have called it, not what it's called today. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Location_Fields#Location_Field_Style_Guide
Any suggestions from Familysearch for watchlists are just an indication that there is something that may be worth exploring, not an indication that the information is good. A lot of watchlist suggestions - not just Familysearch ones - are incorrect.
edited by Michael Cayley
When you look at Changes for a profile & select the edit details, you'll see a restore option at the top of the two columns. When you select it, you have options to select areas of the profiles that changed (not all changes can be reversed, but in this case, they could). What I do when I restore a profile is then add new information to the restored profile - you'll see the FamilySearch reference added under "See also" (the precise birth date was already footnoted). update: The FamilySearch reference was deleted (FamilyTrees are not reliable sources).
To see what had been added/changed & what I reversed, see https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Montagu-26&diff=prev&oldid=106576007
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
558 Wikidata - Different death date: no idea where Wikidata got the 12 November date. WikiTree citation is to Richardson, but other sources have 3 November 1428 also (including Wikipedia).
554 Wikidata - Imprecise birth date: 1388 as birth year is sourced to Richardson (who uses the first "aged 12 in 1400" instead of "24 in 1415"). Wikipedia's precise date (13 June 1388) is referenced in a footnote (it's apparently from thepeerage.com, which says "before 13 June 1388" but does not cite a reliable source).
Cheers, Liz
Bio Detail: Family 2: Alice Chaucer b. c 1404, d. 20 May 1475 or 9 Jun 1475 Sources: ? Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 121-122. ? Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 161-162. ? Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 159-160 ? Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 208-209 ? Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 689. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Montacute,_4th_Earl_of_Salisbury http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Orl%C3%A9ans Marlyn Lewis need to be added to this protected profile. I am the pre-1500 certified profile manager, but I'm blocked from editing. Can someone help?