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David (Murray) Murray VIIth of Tullibardine (1400 - bef. 1452)

Born in Tullibardine, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotlandmap
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Died before before age 52 in Tullibardine Castle, Perth, Perthshire, Scotlandmap
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Preceded by
David Murray
7th of Tullibardine
1446 - 1452
Succeeded by
William Murray

Biography

David (Murray) Murray VIIth of Tullibardine is a member of Clan Murray.

David was the son of Sir David Murray of Tullibardine and Isabel Stewart.[1]

In 1430 he acquired Polgour. In 1443 he acquired Fendoch, half of Ardoch and half of Kintoches. In 1445 he founded the Collegiate Church of Tullibardine. In 1446 he obtained Lethendy and Cultrannoch. He held the office of Auditor of the Exchequer in 1448. He held the office of Auditor of the Exchequer in 1450. He held the office of Baillie of the Earldom of Strathearn. He held the office of Keeper of Methven Castle. He lived at Tullibardine, Perthshire, Scotland.

He married, in or before 1430, Margaret Colquhoun,[2] but in spite of what some authors say, she could not have been the Margaret who was daughter of Sir John Colquhoun of Luss and unknown Boyd.[3] They had at least ten sons and several daughters, including:

  1. Sir William, of Tullibardine d. c 1459[2]
  2. Andrew[2]
  3. John, of Trewin[2]
  4. Robert[4]
  5. Patrick, of Dollerie and 1st of Ochtertyre d. 1476[4]
  6. James, of Kelach[4]
  7. Walter[5]
  8. Alexander[5]
  9. Thomas[5]
  1. Marion, m. Sir Malcolm Drummond of Cargill[5]
  2. Isabel, m. Maurice Drummond of Concraig[5]
  3. Christian, m. Sir Murdac Menteith of Rusky[5]

He died between 21 Jul 1451 and 15 Jun 1452. He was buried at Tullibardine Church, Tullibardine, Perthshire, Scotland.[2]

Research Notes

There appears to be some confusion regarding the succession and families of Tullibardine. It is clear that Sir Walter Murray was 5th of Tullibardine and his wife was Margaret le Barde, that their Marriage Contract was dated 10th November 1358 and that they had a son referred to as Sir David Murray.

This David Murray appears to have married Isobel Stewart, daughter of Sir John Stewart of Innermeath and Lorn who survived him. HOWEVER some writers suggest he does not appear to have succeeded his father.

Balfour Paul states that it was Sir David Murray who became 6th of Tullibardine having been served heir to his grandmother Margaret, Lady Tullibardine on 19th May 1432 and she had been dead around 20 years at this time. This Sir David Murray married Margaret Colquhoun around 1430 and they had a large family of at least 10 sons and several daughters. To slightly add to the Confusion, Sir Robert Douglas upon whom Balfour-Paul based his work at pages 52-53 clearly misses Sir David who was married to a Margaret (who may have been a Colquhoun) and then refers to their son Sir William as 7th Baron of Tullibardine and being married to Margaret Colquhoun. As Margaret was the daughter of Sir John Colquhoun of Luss, if her mother-in-law was also a Margaret Colquhoun, she must have been from an earlier generation. See Balfour-Paul Volume 1 pages 454-458

In addition within the Colquhoun family it is stated that Margaret, daughter of Sir John and his first wife, a Boyd, married William Murray 7th Baron of Tullibardine. See The Chiefs of Colquhoun and their Country Volume 1 page 52.


Fraser makes it clear that Margaret married the 7th of Tullibardine but names him 'William' rather than 'David.'[6] Scots Peerage argues against this idea in footnote 9.[2]

Sources

  1. Paul, James Balfour. "The Scots Peerage : founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom", Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904, Vol. I, Archive.org, p. 455
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 Paul, James Balfour. "The Scots Peerage : founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom", Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904, Vol. I, Archive.org, p. 456
  3. Fraser, Sir William. Chiefs of Colquhoun and Their Country, Edinburgh: T. & A. Constable, 1869, Vol. I, Archive.org, p. 45. p. xxiv
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 Paul, James Balfour. "The Scots Peerage : founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom", Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904, Vol. I, Archive.org, p. 457
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.4 5.5 Paul, James Balfour. "The Scots Peerage : founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom", Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904, Vol. I, Archive.org, p. 458
  6. Fraser, Sir William. Chiefs of Colquhoun and Their Country, Edinburgh: T. & A. Constable, 1869, Vol. I, Archive.org, pp. 52-54

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Mark, Did you really mean to disconnect Margaret Colquhoun as wife of David Murray 7th, and attach her to his son William Murray 8th , in adddition to his accepted wife Margaret Gray? The dozen or so children now look to be the children of both fathers.

Paul, James Balfour. "The Scots Peerage : 1904, Vol. I, , p. 455 make a point of not attributing 'of Tullibardine' to the 1st David Murray, in contrast to all the others in the lineage. The person wikitree refers to as David Murray the 7th is actually David 6th , as his father didn't inherit the title. So his son William was correctly entitled William Murray 7th of Tullibardine, but actually 8th in lineage. My guess is that Chiefs of Colquhoun' should have attached Margaret Colquhoun to David Murray 7th in lineage and not William 7th in title.

The sources certainly paint an inconsistent picture. Fair play to you for taking it on!

posted by Ian Fotheringham
Yes quite intentionally. Margaret Colquhoun of Luss, my 15 x great grandaunt was not born until after Sir William Murray who some authors claim was her son. It seems fairly clear that the Margaret Colquhoun whom Sir David Murray married was another member of the wider Colquhoun of Luss family, possibly a cousin of Margaret's father. I also puzzled over the numbering of the Tullibardine Lairds. I cannot find anything which clearly states whether David Murray was only Younger of Tullibardine or 6th of Tullibardine, which would make David from this profile either 6th or 7th Laird. The sources state this David inherited from his grandmother but crucially not that he inherited Tullibardine from her, only other named estates.
Murray-972 and Murray-351 appear to represent the same person because: clear duplicate. Murray-972 was previously named William rather than David but see research notes regarding SP footnote 9
posted by [Living Anderson]

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