John Neville (abt. 1612 - 1664)

Born about 14 Mar 1612 in Gloucestershire, England

Husband of Bridget (Thorsley) Neville — married 1638 in St. Mary's County, Maryland

Husband of Joanna (Porter) Hussey — married 1651 in Maryland

Descendants

Died 15 Jan 1664 at about age 51 in Port Tobacco, Charles County, Province of Maryland

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Note: The parents of this John Neville are not known (see details below).

Biography

John Neville immigrated to America aboard the Ark and Dove, which departed England in November 1633 and arrived at Point Comfort, Virginia on 27 February 1634.^[1] After a brief stay they continued to St. Clement's Island in Maryland, arriving on 25 March 1634. ^[2]

He married (1) Bridget Thorsbey [Thorsley] and (2) Johanna (Joan) Porter.^[3]

John Neville married Bridget Thomsley [Thorsley] in Maryland, c. 1638/9, at either the Clefts, in Calvert County,^[4] or St. Marys County.^[5]

Issue:^[6]

• James (b.1640 Clefts, Calvert Co., MD - d. btw 1696 - 1700) m. Elizabeth
• Eleanor
• Mary Neville
• Ellen Neville, m. John Lambert

John's second wife was Johanna (Joan) Porter, whom he married in 1651, she having been transported for that purpose.^[7] On 29 January 1652, John Neville demanded 400 acres of land assigned to him by George Ackrick and 100 additional acres for "transporting Joan Porter, his wife" and on the same day a warrant was issued to him to lay out 500 acres of land. The records prove that Johanna (Joan) Porter was the wife of John Neville before January 29, 1652.^[8] She is named as his "beloved wife" in his will of January 15, 1664.

"Know all men by theis prsents that I John Neuill of Charles County in the prouince of Maryland haue of my owne free will and Voluntary motion Giuen and Granted And by theis prsents Doe giue grant and sett ouer unto my well beloued wife Johanna NeuilI One plantacon of my owne Conteyning ffiue hundred acres of land and Comonly called or knowne by the name of Mooredith according to Pattent together wth six Cowes and theire encrease and halfe of all my prsonall estate either seruts or other Estate immediately upon my decease likewise aboue and more then the said half e I doe freely giue to my said wife One black mare bought of W Robt Slye marked of the said Slyes marke on both buttocks together with all the encrease she now hath or euer shall haue, To haue and to hould the said land Cowes Mare and Encrease and all & singuler other the prmisses before Giuen unto the said Johanna Neuill and the heires of her Body foreuer to theire owne proper use and behoofe But in Case the said Johanna Neuill dies Wthout issue lawfully begott on her Body then all the before giuen prmisses to Returne to my next and immediate heires, Prouided and aliwayes excepted the before Giuen prmisses be in my possession and to my use, (yet not to be imbezilled) till the time of my decease, In Wittnes whereof I the said John Neuill haue hereto put my hand and seale this 12th January 1664

John Neuill seale his mai

Signed sealed & deliuered in the prsence of Vs

William Price

Thomas Lomax

William Nine ffingers

Henry Baylye"^[9]

Children

In his will John Neville devised his wife, Joanna, the real and personal property formerly bestowed by deed of gift, and to his son, William, the dwelling-plantation. To his daughter, Ellen Lambert, he bequeathed personalty. These are the only children mentioned in his will.

"John Long of London Marchnt his Atturney John Emerson PIt John Lambert and William Price as Administrators of the estaet of John Neuill Deceased in the behalf of William Neuill Defendants The Plantiue Aresting the Defendant in an Action of Debt Pre-fereth his Declaration as followeth

John Long of London Marchant Plt P Atturnatum suum John Emerson

John Lambert and William Price as Administrators of the estate of John Nevill deceased in the behalfe of William Neuill defendants. The plantiue declaers against the Dft ut supra in an Action of debt for nine hundered seauenty and seauen pounds of tobacco as more at large will appeare P bill baring daet the 25th of May 1664 Relation beeing thearunto had which bill remayneth as yet unsatisfied thearfor the plantive hath entered his suit humbly crauing order of Court for his sayd debt.

In Confirmation of the Precedent Declaration the Plantiue ut antea Produced this ensuing bill. This bill bindeth mee John Neuill of Charleses County my heirs Executors Administrators or Assignes to pay or Cause to bee payd unto John Long or John London of London Marchants their heirs Executors or Assignes the full and just sume of nine hundered seauenty seauen pounds of good sound tobacco and Caske at or upon the tenth of Nouember next ensuing in sume Conuenient place in Charleses County as witnes my hand this 20th of May Ao 1664.

John I N Neuvill

Seigned in the presence of

George English (his marke)

William H. Heard (his marke)

Whearupon the Deft: Confesed A iudgment for nine hundered and seauenty seauen pounds of tobacco unto Mr John Emerson the Atturney of John London and John Longe of London Marchants It is thearfor Ordered that the sayd Mr John Emerson as Atturney of the sayd London and Long of London Marchants shall bee payd out the estate of the sayd John Neuill nine hundered and seauenti seauen pounds of tobacco and Caske"^[10]

"John Lamber desired this ensuing deed of Gift to bee recorded which is as followeth

Know all men by thees Presants that I John Neuill of Charleses County in the Prouince of Mariland Gent: doe for diuers good Considerations mee hearunto moouing, giue and grant unto my sone in Law John Lambert and his wife all the femaile Cattell and hogs that hee is now posessed of and one Maer with her whole increase boath maile and femaile but the mare and her whole increas at the expiration of four years which will bee Compleated & finished at and upon the tweif day of february Ao Doni 1666 shall bee equally deuided betweene the sayd Lambert and my sone William Neuill and then that shaer that shall fall to either of them thay shall each of them hold it to them thear heirs and assignes foreuer, and I the sayd Neuill doe giue unto the sayd John Lambert boath the saruants and all the other things whatsoeuer that hee hath in his Posession of which I the sayd neuil haue any Right title interest Property Claime or Jurisdiction to or in whatsoeuer the Land excepted which formarly was belonging to henry Lilly but all the tobacco boath hanging and in hogsets that now is on the sayd Land I doe hearby Resarue to my owne Proper use and also that bill of John Wheelers for twelue hundered pounds of tob: past from him the sayd Wheeler unto my sone in Law John Lambert I doe also resarue to my owne Proper use in verity and truth hearof witnes this my hand and scale this 10th of february Ao 1662 seale

John N Neuil (I N)

Seigned sealed and deliuered in the Presance of us

George Thompson his marke

humphery haggat:"^[11]

Land Claims

On December 23, 1656 Arthur Turner demanded land for transporting Jane Williams, assigned unto him by "Hannah Neville of Maryland, the wife of John Neville of Maryland, planter."^[12]

On November 8, 1659 Garett Symons demanded land for transporting Walter Norman assigned to him by John Neville, by indenture of June 18, 1656, and 50 acres more the said John Neville had assigned out of the right of "his former wife, Bridget Thorsbey, transported about 20 years since."^[13] This would have been in the year 1639.

28 Jul 1663. John bought from Robert Taylor three hundred Acres of Land at Chingamuckson, formerly laid out for Mr George Thompson. Robert Taylor and his wife acknowledged the sale in open Court to be be their voluntary act and deed and also acknowledge full satisfaction of 150 acres which they bought of John Wheeler unto John Neuille and his heirs forever.^[14]

Research Notes

Disputed Parents

There are internet family trees showing that John Neville was a son of Edward Neville, 6th Lord Abergavenney and Rachel Lennard. There is no source for such a claim, and it seems that Edward's son John died young.^[15] Also detached as parents were Henry Neville and his wife Elizabeth Smythe.^[16]

• Possible baptism records:
  • England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription; First name(s) John; Last name Nevill; Gender Male; Birth year 1597; Birth place -; Baptism year 1597; Baptism date 03 Jun 1597; Place -; County London; Country England; Father's first name(s) John; Father's last name Nevill; Mother's first name(s) -; Mother's last name -; Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975; Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records; Subcategory Parish Baptisms; Collections from England, Great Britain ;Repository: FamilySearch Intl.
  • Cambridgeshire Baptisms Transcription; First name(s) John; Last name Nevell; Year Of Birth 1607; Birth date ? ? 1607; Baptism year 1607; Baptism date 27 Dec 1607; Abode -; Place Guilden Morden; Mother's Given Name -; Father's First Name -; Father occupation -; Notes -; County Cambridgeshire; Record set Cambridgeshire Baptisms; Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records; Subcategory Parish Baptisms; Collections from England, Great Britain; Repository: Cambridgeshire Family History Society.
  • Cambridgeshire Baptisms Transcription; First name(s) John; Last name Nevill; Year Of Birth 1617; Birth date ? ? 1617; Baptism year 1617; Baptism date ? ? 1617; Abode -; Place Cambridge, St Benedict; Mother's Given Name -; Father's First Name John; Father occupation -; Notes [BT Jan 25]; County Cambridgeshire; Record set Cambridgeshire Baptisms; Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records; Subcategory Parish Baptisms; Collections from England, Great Britain; Repository: Cambridgeshire Family History Society.

Disputed Wife

Some genealogies show John Neville, the immigrant, as having three wives, viz; Bridget Thorsbey [Thorsley], Johanna (Joan) Porter, and Ann. Some other genealogists believe that this is an error. The documents in the Hall of Records at Annapolis, Maryland, show that he had only two wives, viz; Bridget Thorsbey [Thorsley] and Johanna (Joan) Porter - see above. Evidence includes his demand for land on account of Bridget and Johanna (Joan). No record has been found showing that John Neville ever made such a demand on account of Ann.

He married Joan in 1651, and he could not have been married to Ann at that time because she was the wife of Richard Neville in 1651.^[17]

Deaths of wives

Johanna Porter survived John, which is more evidence that John Neville had only two wives, Bridget Thorsbey whom he married in 1639, and Johanna Porter whom he married in 1651. The dates on which his two wives died are unknown but Johanna Neville purchased land on the Wicomico River in Charles County in 1665.^[18] Dowden-200 06:42, 4 April 2015 (EDT)

Richard Neville

In the early Maryland colony there was a Richard Neville, but no relationship has been established though a man of that name came on either the "Ark" or the "Dove."^[19]

In 1639 Pordinando Pulton demanded land for transporting Richard Neville, and others, in 1633.^[20]

On October 14, 1651 John Lewger demanded land for transporting persons among whom was "Ann , now the wife of Richard Neville."^[21]

Richard Neville acquired land in 1640 and in 1641.^[22]

His name appears on the Rent Rolls of St. Marys and Charles Counties.^[23]

Sources

1. ↑ Passenger list of the Ark and the Dove
2. ↑ Wikipedia: The_Ark_(ship)
3. ↑ Marriages (copied from Blakemore Family and Allied Lines (See Sources)): (Page 223)
4. ↑ U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900. Yates Publishing. The Generations Network, Inc., 2004. [1]; [2]
5. ↑ Maryland Land Office, Warrants, Liber no. 4, folio 186.
6. ↑ Wilson (1964) states that John had 2 children by his first marriage
7. ↑ Maryland Land Office, Warrants, Liber A.B-H, folio 241 (Page 224).
8. ↑ Maryland Land Office, Liber A.B-H, folio 241.
9. ↑ Provincial Court Proceedings, 1665. Liber F. p. 23.
10. ↑ Charles County Court Proceedings, Liber B, p. 522-24. [3].
11. ↑ Charles County Cour Proceedings, 1662-1666, Liber B. p. 78. 53:330.
12. ↑ Maryland Land Office, Liber no. 4, folio 13.
13. ↑ Maryland Land Office, Liber no. 4, folio 186.
14. ↑ Charles County Court Proceedings, 1662-1666. Liber B. p. 168-9. [4].
15. ↑ See The Peerage.com.
16. ↑ See Henry's profile - known children listed there do not include one named John (accessed 7 May 2021).
17. ↑ Maryland Land Office, Liber A.B.-H, folio 150.
18. ↑ Maryland Land Office, Liber C, no. 1, folio 150.
19. ↑ Liber no. 1, folios 20, 38.
20. ↑ Maryland Land Office, Liber A.B.-H, folio 65.
21. ↑ Maryland Land Office, Liber A.B.-H, folio 150.
22. ↑ Maryland Land Office, Liber A.B.-H, folio 98; Liber no. 1, folios 120, 124.
23. ↑ Maryland Land Office, Rent Rolls, vols. 1-2, pp 25, 40.

See also:

• Ancestry Notes: Life and Times; John Neville; Voyage of The Ark and The Dove
• The Blakemore Family and Allied Lines. eBook; Permanent link to relevant section:[5]
• S321 Filby, P. W. (2009). Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI: Gale Research. The Generations Network, Inc.
• Newman, Harry Wright. The Flowering of the Maryland Palatinate. Published by the Author, Washington, 1961. Pages 313-320
• "Passenger List of the Ark and the Dove." /www.thearkandthedove.com.
• Russell, George Ely and Donna Valley. The Ark and The Dove Adventurers. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2005. Pages 162-164
• Wilson, W.E.N. (1964). The Neville Family of England and the United States. Frances Beal Smith Hodges, Ed. Wichita Falls, TX. FamilySearch.org. eBook.
• Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 01 November 2018), Find A Grave: Memorial #34194849 for John Neville (14 Mar 1612–15 Jan 1664); Maintained by Linda Mac (contributor 47062703).