Emmelina (Unknown) de Hesdin (abt. 1050 - abt. 1091)

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Disambiguation

Three women have often been confused. All are said by some sources to be a daughter of Dru de Ballon. Further distinctions and explanations can be found below under Research Notes:

• Emmeline de Lacy born 1040, wife of Walter de Lacy, b. 1046
• Emmeline de Hesdin, no father shown, born 1050. Married to Ernulf de Hesdin, born 1038. Children Matilda, Ernulf, William, Rotro, Sibyl and Aveline.
• Emmeline, born 1080, daughter of Dryw and wife of Sir Gwyn ap Gwaithfoed, born 1075

Biography

1050 Birth and Parents

1050 Birth Year Estimation

No records have been found that would give a birth year for Emmeline or her children. The birth year of her oldest child, Ernulph II, has been estimated to be 1068. If Emmeline were 18 when her son was born, her birth year would be, say, 1050. Such estimates are highly speculative and useful primarily to place a person in the right time and place.

1067 Marriage to Ernulf de Hesdin

Emmeline was the wife of Ernulf (or Arnulph) de Hesdin of Keevil, Wiltshire, Kempsford, Gloucestershire. ^[1]

Emmelina married Arnulf, Seigneur de Hesdin ^[2][1]

Emmelina's husband's name appears in various forms:

• Ernulf de Hesdin^[3] aka Arnulf^[4]
• Ernulph de Hesding.^[5]
• Arnulf ^[5]
• Arnoul de Hestin ^[6]

In 1888 Henry Barkly remarked that Ernulph de Hesding remains "one of the most mysterious personages in Domesday." ^[7]

Arnulf, Seigneur de Hesdin was born at of Picardy, France. ^[8]

Arnulf was born 1041 in Hesdin. ^[9]

1067 as the year of her marriage is calculated as the year preceding the birth of her eldest son, Ernulph II. To the extent the estimations are correct, Emmelinda would have been 17 and Ernulph 26 years of age.

A charter of Stephen King of England dated 1138 confirmed donations to Gloucester St Peter including the donation by "Ernulfi de Hesding et Emelina uxoris eius" of “ecclesiam de Nortuna"[1698]. ^[6]

The Historia sancti Petri Gloucestriæ records that "Robertus filius Walteri et Avelina uxor eius" donated "ecclesiam de Nortone", as previously donated by "Elmelina mater Avelinæ ante plures annos"[1697]. ^[6]

Later, "Emelina uxor Ernulfi de Hestink" donated "ecclesiam de Northona" to Gloucester St Peter by undated charter witnessed by "Rogerus filius Dodonis"[. ^[6]

The Chronicle of Hyde records that "Ernulfus de Hednith" was unjustly accused of treason but successfully defended himself by trial of battle (dated to [1096] from the context), and left on Crusade and died at Antioch[1691]. ^[6]

Cawley states that Arnould de Hesdin died in Antioch in 1098. ^[6]

By contrast, Burke reports that Arnulf died in 1092 in Keevil, Wiltshire, England ^[9]

Issue

Cawley reports that Arnoul & his wife had three children, Arnoul, Mathilde and Adeline. Other sources add other children.

• Matilda, born 1067. ^[5] Maud and her husband Patrick were living in 1133. ^[1]
• Ernulph II, born 1068 ^[5] Hanged by King Stephen after the Battle of Shrewsbury in 1138.
• William ^[4] de Hesding was born about 1071 ^[5]
• Rotro, born about 1073. ^[5] Married Maud, natural daughter of Henry I.
• Sibyl de Hesdin, born abaout 1075 ^[5], died about 1133 ^[8] Died 1123 and his widow survived uintil 1136.
• Avelina de Hesding or Ava, ^[4], born about 1081. ^[5] Place of birth appears variously as Hesdin, Artois, Picardy, or Dol in Normandy. Married Alan Fitz Flaald.

Research Notes

Was Emmeline de Hesdin the same person as Emma, daughter of Dru de Ballon?

Cawley states that "The Historia fundationis cum fundatoris genealogia of the priory of Abergavenny names “Emmam, Luciam et Beatriciam” as the three daughters of “Dru dominus de Baladun” but that the parentage of Emmeline, wife of Arnoul de Hesdin, has not been identified with certainty. However, Cawley writes, two sources indicate that she was closely related to the Ballon family. If that is correct, the chronology suggests that she was the daughter of Dreux de Baladon. ^[10]

The first source is a charter dated 14 Sep 1100 under which Emmaline's grandson] "Patricius" donated "v hidas terræ de Westona" to Bath St Peter, for the souls of "…Hamelini et Winebaldi de Baalun…ac…Arnulfi de Hesding…et Warini clerici mei", witnessed by "Hamelinus et Winebaldus de Baalun…". ^[10]

The second source is a donation to Gloucester St Peter made by Emmeline's grandson "Patricius de Cadurcis" of land "apud Ameneye de feodo suo…[et] apud Ameneye Sancti Nicholai" to Gloucester St Peter, with the confirmation of "rege Henrico seniore"[849], read together with the donation to the same abbey of land "in Ameneye" made by "Wynebaldus de Balon…et Rogerius filius meus"[850]. ^[10]

It should also be noted that, if this is correct, her supposed brother Hamelin had a daughter who was also named Emmeline. ^[10]

Cawley accepts Emmeline, widow of Walter de Lacy and wife of Arnoul dse Hesdin, as the daughter of Dreux de Baladon. Nevertheless, he also states that "the parentage of Emmeline, wife of Arnoul de Hesdin, has not been identified with certainty." ^[6]

Cawley adds, two sources indicate that she was closely related to the Ballon family. If that is correct, the chronology suggests that she was the daughter of Dreux de Baladon. ^[10] See Research Notes.

Was Emmeline de Hesdin the Emma who married a Welsh Prince?

There is a Sir Dryw (Drew de) Baladon formerly Balun aka Balon, Ballon, Born about 1050, who was in Wales about 1100, and whose two daughters, including Ema, married Welsh princes after 1100. This Dryw would have been a generation later than Emmeline's father, and might be Emmeline's brother.

Was Emmeline de Hesdin the same person as Emmeline de Lacy?

Cawley states that there are indications that Emmeline, wife of Arnoul de Hesdin, was the widow of Walter de Lacy. ^[10]

Both families made numerous donations to Gloucester St Peter, although it has not yet proved possible to link any of the names of land donated to both families, but most significantly the Historia sancti Petri Gloucestriæ, in a list of holdings, records (in order) donations made by "Walterus de Lacy dedit Leden, Ernulfus de Hesding dedit Lyncoholt, Hermelina de Lacy dedit pro anima viri sui Duntesbourne…"[851]. The interposition of Arnoul´s name between Walter de Lacy and his wife Emmeline is best explained if he was Emmeline´s second husband. From a chronological point of view, the two marriages would fit. Cawley adds that it should be emphasised that this suggestion is speculative. ^[10]

The difficulty lies in chronology. Emmeline de Lacy was at least 325 ands possibly 45 when hewr husband died in 1085. It is difficult to imagine her then proceeding to have 6 more children with Ernulf de Hesdin. In additionk Ernul's childreen are all most likely born before 1085. To believe he married De Lacy's widow thus requires that he had his children with a prior wife, of whom no record has been found.

Cawley speculates that Emmeline was the widow of Walter de Lacy prior to her

Cawley reports that Emmeline married secondly, Arnoul de Hesdin, whose own parentage is unknown. ^[10]

Cawley also suggests, "There are indications that Emmeline, wife of Arnoul de Hesdin, was the widow of Walter de Lacy. Both families made numerous donations to Gloucester St Peter, although it has not yet proved possible to link any of the names of land donated to both families, but most significantly the Historia sancti Petri Gloucestriæ, in a list of holdings, records (in order) donations made by "Walterus de Lacy dedit Leden, Ernulfus de Hesding dedit Lyncoholt, Hermelina de Lacy dedit pro anima viri sui Duntesbourne…" The interposition of Arnoul’s name between Walter de Lacy and his wife Emmeline is best explained if he was Emmeline’s second husband. From a chronological point of view, the two marriages would fit. It should be emphasised that this suggestion is speculative.] ^[6]

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2} Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume I, page 133 CHAWORTH.
2. ↑ Gerald Paget. The Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles, Vol. 1, p. 211. Cited by Marlyn Lewis. Our Royal Titled Noble and Commoner Ancestors. Arnulf Last edited 18 Aug 2013. Accessed December 6, 2017. jhd
3. ↑ " Ernulf 1: Ernulf de Hesdin, fl. 1086", Prosopography of Anglo-Saxon England, http://domesday.pase.ac.uk/Domesday?op=5&personkey=40517, accessed 2 October 2017.
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2} John Horace Round, ed, Calendar of Documents Preserved in France, Illustrative of the History of Great Britain and Ireland, (London: Printed for Her Majesty's Stationery Office by Eyre and Spottiswoode, 1899), I:481-2, Digital Image Internet Archive (https://archive.org/stream/calendardocumen00roungoog#page/n542/mode/2up accessed 2 October 2017). No 1326.
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.4 5.5 5.6 5.7} Col Heading. My Heading Family Ernulph de Hesding Updated May 15, 2017. Accessed December 7. 2017. jhd
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 6.5 6.6 6.7} Cawley, Charles. Medieval Lands: A Prosopography of Medieval European Noble and Royal Families, Online at Foundation for Medieval Genealogy Website. Entry for Arnoul de Hesdin Accessed 9 March 2022.
7. ↑ Wikipedia. Ernulf de Hesdin Accessed December 7, 2017. jhd
8. ↑ ^{8.0 8.1} Marlyn Lewis. Our Royal Titled Noble and Commoner Ancestors. Arnulf Last edited 18 Aug 2013. Accessed December 6, 2017. jhd
9. ↑ ^{9.0 9.1} John Bernard Burke, Esq. A Visitation of The Seats and Arms of Noblemen and Gentlemen of Great Britain. 1853. Vol 11, page 61. Cited by Col Heading. My Heading Family Ernulph de Hesding Updated May 15, 2017. Accessed December 7. 2017. jhd
10. ↑ ^{10.0 10.1 10.2 10.3 10.4 10.5 10.6 10.7} Cawley, Charles. Medieval Lands: A Prosopography of Medieval European Noble and Royal Families, Online at Foundation for Medieval Genealogy Website. Entry for Emmeline, wife of Arnoul de Hesdin Accessed 9 March 2022.

See also:

• D.S.O. Lt.-Col. W. H. Turton, Turton, pp 107, 116.
• Peter Townend, B:P, 103rd, pg. 1712.
• Peter Townend, B:P, 105th, pg. 1871.
• HRH Prince Michael of Albany, Albany, 45. a charlatan