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Unknown (Rogers) Stone (abt. 1580 - aft. 1629)

Unknown "Sarah" [uncertain] Stone formerly Rogers
Born about in Wethersfield, Essex, Englandmap
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Wife of — married about 1598 in Wethersfield, Essex, Englandmap [uncertain]
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Died after after about age 49 in Connecticutmap
Profile last modified | Created 19 Apr 2011
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Unknown (Rogers) Stone migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640).
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Proposed Revisions, arising from recent research

The identification of the subject of this profile as the wife of John Stone, mother of Rev. Samuel Stone, and daughter of Richard Rogers is based on a conjecture arising from three facts about his relationships with others who mentioned him or his relatives in their wills. The will of Rev. Ezekiel Rogers of Rowley, Mass., son of Richard Rogers of Wethersfield, Essex, identifies Rev. Samuel Stone of Hartford, Connecticut as his nephew. Stone was also called "cousin" in the will of Edward Sammes, grocer of London and husband of John Wright's half-sister Bennet. And Sammes' brother-in-law John Wright, of Romford, Essex, was called cousin by Richard Rogers in his will.[1] From these relationships, McCracken (and Donald Lines Jacobus, his editor) inferred that the mother of Samuel Stone must have been a sister of Rev. Ezekiel Rogers. Robert Charles Anderson based his statement that Samuel Stone's parents were John and _____ (Rogers) Stone on McCracken's work.[2]

New research published in 2022 calls that conjecture into question, providing a different and convincing explanation of those family relationships in those wills. Jesse Torbert shows that the link between Richard Rogers and Samuel Stone was not through Stone's (still unidentified) mother but rather through Stone's previously unidentified first wife, Rebecca Wright, who was the daughter of Ezekiel Roger's sister Rebecca (Rogers) Wright, making Samuel Stone (a) the nephew (by marriage) of Ezekiel, (b) the first cousin (by marriage) of Edward Sammes, and (c) his wife's paternal grandfather is Richard Rogers and her maternal great-uncle is John Wright, making those two men (distant) cousins (by marriage).[3]

Further proofs, cited by Tarbert, are the marriage in Cranham, Essex of Samuel Stone and Rebecca Wright on 5 June 1629,[4] and the baptism on 13 Sep 1632 in Towcester of Samuell, ye sone of Mr Samuell Stone & Mrs Rebecca his wife"[5]

The research by Jesse Tarbert cited above effectively removes any basis for the earlier conjecture that the relationships cited by previous research establish that Samuel Stone's mother was a Rogers. He and his siblings surely had a mother, and John Stone had a wife, but she remains unidentified. Furthermore, there being no evidence that Richard Rogers and his wife Barbara had a daughter Sarah, this profile should be disconnected from her purported parents. After that, this profile's LNAB should be changed from Rogers to Unknown, via a merge to a new Unknown profile. Halsey Bullen, 22 Jan 2023

Note on first name of ____ (Rogers) Stone: There are family trees on the internet claiming that the given name of the mother of Rev. Samuel Stone was Sarah. This given name is the result of a mis-identification of John Stone of Guilford, New Haven Colony (who had a wife named Sarah), with another John Stone, one of the original proprietors of Hartford and the presumed father of Rev. Samuel Stone.

Sources

  1. A Hartford Miscellany: Howard, Stone, Adsit-Edgett, section: Hertford, Hertfordshire and Hartford, Conn., by George E. McCracken, Ph.D., TAG Vol 36 (1960), page 34 citing the will of Rev Ezekiel Rogers
  2. Samuel Stone, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volume III, page 1770
  3. Tarbert, Jesse, "The Identity and English Ancestor of Rev. Samuel Stone's First wife: Rebecca Wright, Granddaughter of Rev. Richard Rogers" in the New England Historical Genealogical Register, Vol. 176, Fall 2022, pp. 388-404, citing many parish registers and wills
  4. Register of All Saints, Cranham, Essex, Essex Record Office, D/P 118/1/1, image 25
  5. Register of Towcester, Northamptonshire Record Office 329P/255, image 172, viewable on ancestry.com
  • Samuel Stone, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III. (Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2010), (Originally Published as: New England Historic Genealogical Society. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 1995). page 1770, "____ (Rogers) Stone" is the mother of Samuel Stone
  • WikiTree profile Rogers-3764 created through the import of Kennedy02.ged on Aug 21, 2011 by Robert Kennedy. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Robert and others.







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I initially removed "Sarah" as a nickname after it had been added as her proper first name, but then realized that it had been intentionally removed as a proper first name because there is no source for any first name. It looks from the change feed that "Sarah" was added as a nickname by PGM leadership - I assume to help make sure it is returned in searches? I am adding back on that assumption, but want to make sure we have a consensus on how this should be handled.
posted by Scott McClain
Thanks, Scott. Yes, this is an odd situation and we are trying to keep another Sarah from being created. From what I have read, there are no reliable sources for her name being Sarah, but she often appears with that name in family trees on the internet.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
See recently added "Proposed revisions" in which it was suggested that the parents attached to this profile be removed.
posted by Traci Thiessen
Hello Traci, From what I can tell this profile has never been mentioned in the children's section of the profile for [Rogers-1611|Rev. Richard Rogers (bef 1551-1618) ]. Due to the number of contributions from various WikiTree members spanning a long period of time (for Rev. Richard Rogers) perhaps it would be best if someone at your level of genealogical experience/expertise should assume the PM position in order to provide future guidance for eager descendants of this profile. Thanks for your help and time. Leigh Anne
Please see the Proposed Revisions section I've added in the profile. I'm proposing that we detach her from her purported parents, keep her attached to spouse and children, and rename her Unknown. She definitely existed, got married to John Stone, and had children and a great many descendants. We just don't know her first name nor her last name at birth.
posted by Halsey Bullen
edited by Halsey Bullen
I am a Stone maiden, cousin Ruth Kenyon married Captain David Stone, descendant of this John Stone-189 who married Sarah Rogers-1801; that makes all of Ruth Kenyon's descendants, my dna family. To rid one's questions about David Stone b1540, son of Simon Stone b1507, a study of Anderson's great migration, Gregory Stone and Simon Stone Genealogies with their allied family links, Families of Early Guilford. CT. that separate the families of William and John Stone signers of the 1639 Covenant as written in book by William Leete Stone II, read free at www.archive.org, Col. Joel Stone of this Guilford Stone family of William Stone 1608-1683 is well profiled by Dr. Timothy Compeau of Univ. of Western Ontario, Canada in his dissertation of UEL, United Empire Loyalists. (read free on internet). Joel Stone divorced his first wife, married widow of Abraham Cogswell. She was wounded when York (Toronto was sacked War of 1812). From the data presented, one may separate the Rhode Island Stones of Hugh Stone and Abigail Busecot; Daniel Stone of Maine who 1650, arrange pows in England to work the iron mines in York, Maine; Stones of Guilford Compact 1639; and David Stone son of Simon. These Stones are proven unrelated, story is partially treated at familytreedna/stone (google search colorized chart) www.familytreedna.com. Wikitree keeps these Stones separate, why people mingle these Stones is beyond my understanding. Many other paths offer proof; see Anderson's Great Migration 1620-1635, images 460-462, Vol. 3 P-W Henry Hayward mar 28 Sep 1648 Sarah Stone Hartford Vital Records; William Wadsworth mar. Elizabeth Stone, sisters of Samuel Stone (named as Rev. Samuel Stone whose statue sits in Hartford Square, co founder of Hartford Colony with Rev. Hooker), Sarah and Elizabeth are children of Ursula Rogers, sister to Rev. Ezekiel Rogers of Rowley. My Mother married after death of my Stone Father, Nathan Patchen whose first wife was Eda Wadsworth, I know of one Wadsworth Genealogy in New England.

Henry Hayward, aka Howard married Sarah Stone, had dau. Sarah Howard 1653-1709 married John Adsit (numerous name variations) 1652-1734 (left will), named son Samuel Adsit-19 (Descendants of John Adsit of Lyme, CT. by Newman Ward Adsit) married 14 Feb 1744 at Lyme, Abigail Kenyon 1724-1824, daughter of James Kenyon my 4th Great Grandfather dna proven). Sarah Rogers-1801, first cousin twelve times removed.

posted by Joan (Stone) Jakubowski
edited by Joan (Stone) Jakubowski
Location of death and date are questionable, given New Haven wasn't founded until much later
posted by Eric McDaniel
Unknown Rogers (I believe her name was Sarah) born "abt 1580", yet her mother, Barbara Unknown died "abt 1548."
posted by C. Loomis
Unknown-269628 and Rogers-1801 do not represent the same person because: To merge two profiles without reasonably reliable sources is not possible. The unknown female person whose profile I manage would be the mother of the Guilford brothers, William and John.
posted by Dan Sparkman
Obviously confused with Rogers-1801. This needs to be sorted out.
posted by Dan Sparkman

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