Born about in England
[uncertain]
Ancestors [uncertain]
Daughter of William (Say) de Say
and Sibyl (Marshal) de Say
Wife of
Alexander (Cheyne) de Chene
— married
1268 in England
Descendants 
Mother of
William (Cheyne) de Cheyne
Died [date unknown]
in England [uncertain]
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Biography
Birth and Parents
- Agnes de Say was the daughter of William de Say, Knt.,[1][2] of Edmonton, Middlesex, and Sibyl _____,[3][4] who was said to be the daughter of John Marshall of Lenton, Nottinghamshire or Linton, Kent.[5] Agnes' date and place of birth are unknown and are estimated.
Marriage and Child
- Agnes married about 1268 to Alexander de Cheyne (or Cheyney, Cheigney), Knt., of Titeburst, Hertfordshire and Keston, Kent, son of Alexander de Cheyne.[3] Agnes' maritagium included the manor of Streat, Sussex,[3] which brought the manor back into the Cheyne family.[6] The couple was also granted the manor Patrixbourne, Kent, from Agnes' brother, William de Say.[3]
- Agnes and Alexander had one son:
- Her husband adopted the Say arms: Quarterly or and gules, differenced by a label of five points azure.[3]
Death
- Agnes' date and place of death are unknown. Her husband died shortly before 22 May 1296.[3]
Sources
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica. Ser. 4, v. 3 (1910). FamilySearch, pages 314-315.
- ↑ W.H. Rylands. The Four Visitations of Berkshire. London: Mitchell, Hughes and Clarke, 1907. Archive.org, pages 102-103.
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2013, vol. IV, page 459, RAYNSFORD 8, Agnes de Say.
- ↑ Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2011, vol. III, pages 422-423, RAYNSFORD 3, Agnes de Say.
- ↑ Richardson. Royal Ancestry. Vol. IV, pages 564-566, SAY 7, William de Say; 7.v. Agnes de Say.
- ↑ L.F. Salzman. "Sussex Domesday Tenants. IV: The Family of Chesney or Cheyney" in Sussex Archaeological Collections, vol. 65, 1924. HathiTrust, pages 25 and 47-49.
- See also:
- "Parishes: Streat" in A History of the County of Sussex. Volume 7: the Rape of Lewes, ed. L F Salzman (London, 1940), pp. 113-115. British History Online.
- Edward Hasted, "Parishes: Patrixborne", in The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent. Volume 9 (Canterbury, 1800), pp. 277-286. British History Online.
Acknowledgements
Magna Carta Project
- This profile was developed for the Magna Carta Project on 13 November 2021 by Thiessen-117 and was reviewed for the project by Michael Cayley on 15 November 2021.
- Agnes (Say) de Cheyne appears in Magna Carta Ancestry (vol. II, pages 226-227 FOWKE), in a badged Richardson-documented trail from Gateway Ancestor Gerard Fowke to Magna Carta Surety Baron Geoffrey de Say. See the Magna Carta Trails on the profile of Gerard Fowke to see the profiles on the trail.
- Agnes (Say) de Cheyne appears in Magna Carta Ancestry in a Richardson-documented trail from Gateway Ancestor Edward Raynsford to Magna Carta Surety Baron Geoffrey de Say (vol. III, pages 422-427 RAYNSFORD) that was badged by the Magna Carta Project in August 2023. This trail is set out in the Magna Carta Trails section of the Gateway's profile.
- See Base Camp for more information about Magna Carta trails. See the project's glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".
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I will soon be developing this profile for the Magna Carta Project as part of a trail from Gerard Fowke to Geoffrey de Say. The trail can be viewed HERE.
edited by Traci Thiessen
Say-132 and Say-19 appear to represent the same person because: Say-19 was attached to parents who did not have a daughter named Agnes. The profile has been edited to match Say-132. Please merge. Thanks!
William had a sister named Agnes, who married Alexander de Cheyne, Knt. She was born 1250, which is a generation off of 1274 (but given the Rhode Island birth location...). Would it be OK to edit her to match Say-132 (Agnes, William's sister) & merge them?
William and Elizabeth did not have a known daughter named Agnes. I intend to remove them as her parents, unless you have support for the relationship?