Edward Southworth (abt. 1590 - abt. 1622)

Born about 1590 in London, Middlesex, England

Husband of Alice (Carpenter) Bradford — married 28 May 1613 in Leiden, Zuid-Holland, Nederland

Descendants

Died about 1622 at about age 32 in Leiden, Holland, Nederland

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Edward Southworth was a member of the aristocracy in British Isles.

Biography

Disputed Parentage

There is in print, and can often be found on the internet, a royal ancestry for Edward Southworth. ^{[1] [2]} This line is no longer accepted, and is considered broken.^[3] The primary problem is there is no actual evidence as to the English origins of Edward, and there are multiple other and better possibilities which all remain unproven. ^[4]See also this free space page Alleged Royal Ancestry of Edward Southworth Joe Cochoit is working on, and this G2G: Alleged Royal Ancestry of Edward Southworth

Records indicate he was almost certainly from the Southworth of Nottinghamshire where there are proven connections to other members of the Leiden congregation. The exact connection is unknown.

Edward Southworth was born circa 1590 in England to Thomas Southworth and Rosamond Lister. His grandfather, Sir John Southworth and his parents, Thomas Southworth and Rosamond Lister were living in London when he was born (Weis, 127-28; Weis in Ancestral Roots . . . ).

Edward Southworth is listed as number seven of seven sons of Thomas Southworth and Rosamond Lister. His brother Thomas Southworth had a residence in Leyden, Holland in 1613 (Melton/Sharp).

Edward Southworth, born 1590 in (Salmesbury) England, and Alice Carpenter born 1591 in Wrington, England and died 27 March 1670 in Plymouth. They married in May 28, 1613 in Leyden Holland. Alice was the daughter of Alexander Carpenter, a prominent member of the Separatist movement (United Brethren) - separating from the Church of England. Edward did not come to America; he died in 1620 in England, having been married a mere 7 years. It has been mentioned that the branch of Southworths from which Edward descended died young typically. He died at 30. His siblings averaged 33 years of life. Plaats Leiden

Marriage May 28, 1613 Leiden Eduwaert Sodtwaert and Els Carpenter

Date Int Marriage- Datum ondertrouw: May 4, 1613 Leiden, Marriage: May 28, 1613 Leiden

Groom-Bruidegom: Eduwaert Sodtwaert Place of Birth-Plaats geboorte: england- Engelant Occupation-Beroep: saaiwerker

Bride- Bruid: Els Carpenter Place of Birth-Plaats geboorte:England- Engelant^[5] Remarks-Opmerkingen: Witnesses groom-Getuigen bruidegom: Tomas Sodtwaert brother- broer - Samuel Fuller brother in law -zwager - Rogier Wilson acquaintance-bekende Witnesses bride-Getuigen bruid: Anna Ras acq.-bekende - Elysabeth Gennings acq. -bekende - Maiden names witn bride- Meisjesnamen getuige buid: Carlisle en Lisle.

Edward was born a "gentleman" at Samlesbury, but he was the 7th son, the youngest son, and had to work for his living. He was a "say weaver" who did not earn a lot of money and he was a Protestant. The Pilgrims treated Edward as being of a higher social standing, or "well-to-do". Note: Say Weavers made "say" - used in making table cloths bedding etc.

Edward and Alice had two sons, Constant and Thomas. The widowed Alice Carpenter Southworth journeyed on the Ship Anne, arriving 1623 to marry Governor Bradford. Alice Southworth left their sons (Constant, 9 and Thomas, 7) in England for schooling. They may have remained with their Aunt Julia Ann Carpenter who was married to George Morton. They came over to Plymouth with their Aunt Julia in 1628.

Alice remarried to Governor William Bradford Bradford-24, governor of Plymouth Colony, on August 14th, a few days after the ship's landing. They had three children.

Research Notes

Edward Southworth's parents are uncertain because there's not enough evidence Edward of London is the same person as Edward of Leiden (aka Eduwaert Sodtwaert) - see the note in Weis, p. 14, Line 9 #41. Apparently this is also covered in Mayflower Quarterly 88 (1992): 10-15, which I have been unable to locate.

Notes

• This birth date is questionable because Edward is shown as the youngest son of Thomas and Rosamond in Sir John's will dated 1595 -- unless the birth order in Sir John's will is reversed. In that case, Edward would be the oldest. The source for this information is ambiguous. Webber refers to Edward as the seventh son with five younger brothers.^[6]

Note: Edward Southworth of London and Zuid-Holland, Married Alice Carpenter 1590 - 1621 , England and Zuid-Holland, Netherlands

• COMMENTARY BY THIS SUBMITTER: The birth place of Edward Southworth is under challenge. ^[7] An earlier Magna Charta application also had him born in London. The family of Edward Southworth on the Melton/Sharp web page asserts, "In 1602, Edward and his brothers, including Thomas, were still in the neighborhood of Samlesbury, all listed as foreign burgesses with their father in the Preston (Lancashire) Guild Roll of that year. They were all mentioned by their grandfather, Sir John Southworth, in his will dated September 17, 1593. Sir John died November 3 the same year." The Tracy Crocker data on Magna Charta.com states Edward Southworth of Sturton Le Steeple was a silk worker (citing a letter from Robert Cushman to Edward Southworth at Heneage House, London, 17 August 1620 (Bradford's history of Plymouth Plntation, Boston, 1901, p. 86).

• COMMENTARY: Sturton Le Steeple is far east of Liverpool past Sheffield in the middle of England. Edward Southworth as a "foreign burgess" in a guild registered in county Lancaster traveled from north England to London and over to Holland, then back. He would have been more than a "silk worker." A 1982 unabridged dictionary defines a Burgess as a citizen of a town or borough, or (2) in England, a representative or a borough, corporate town, or university in the British parliament. This explain a 1602 connection in both county Lancaster (Lancashire) and London, as the Southworths would have needed living accomodations in London. His ancestral background suggests a person of affluence and influence.

• His death is identified as ca. 1621 from a "letter of Robert Cushman to Edward Southworth at Heneage House, London, 17 August, 1620, in Bradford's "History of Plimouth Plantation, Boston, 1901, page 86." Tracy Crocker on Magna Charta.com cites two references: S39 is book Ancestral of Roots of Sixty Colonists . . . ; S110 has Pedigrees of Charlemagne Vol. II by Aileen Lewers Langston (see source lists here). Nine charts to royal lineage. (http://www.magnacharta.com, Tracy Crocker 2007). Charts: Mérovée - Merovingian Dynasty; Charlemagne Descendant Chart; William I - The Conqueror; Alfred the Great; Faulk V - King of Jerusalem; Geoffrey Plantagenet; Edward I - King of England; Lady Godiva; Glyndon H. Crocker, Jr. - Ancestry Chart

• Edward Southworth was born abt 1590 and died abt 1621. In 1602, Edward and his brothers, including Thomas, . . . were all listed as foreign burgesses with their father in the Preston (Lancashire) Guild Roll of that year. They were all mentioned by by their grandfather, Sir John Southworth, in his will dated September 17, 1593. Sir John died November 3, 1593. Edward Southworth married Alice Carpenter, May 28, 1613 in Leyden, Holland. She was born abt 1590 and died March 26, 1670 in Plymouth, Massachusetts. A record of Edward Southworth shows him at Leyden, Holland on November 13, 1610 as a witness; he married Alice Carpenter at Leyden on May 28, 1613 with his brother, Thomas, as his attendant. The record states he was from England. "In 1622, William and Christopher, brothers of Edward Southworth of Samlesbury, were still on the rolls of the Preston, Lancashire Guild, but Thomas and Edward were omitted, indicating they were dead." William was at the time of his grandfather's death listed at Holcroft, Lancashire (Melton/Sharp).

• Editorial Board, Webster's Geographical Dictionary, G. & C. Merriam Co., Publishers, Springfield, Mass., 1955, page 336, map; page 592 Lancashire. A port of Lancaster shown on map as north of Cheshire County. Lanca-shire or Lancaster . . . NW England . . . industrial centers Liverpool, Manchester, "watering" places Blackpool, Fleetwood, Morecambe, and Heysham, Southport . . . . History: Region part of Anglo-Saxon kingdom of Northumbria and of the Danelaw; . . . an important medieval fief which in late 14th cent. became a county palatine; Lancastrian line of English kings the heirs of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster . . .

NOTE: a Webster's dictionary. Palatine -- adj. having royal privileges; a count or Earl palatine or county; or pertaining to, a palace, palatial; noun, a high official of a royal court, a vassal exercising royal privileges in a province . . .

• James I acquired rule in 1603 upon the death of his cousin Elizabeth, reigning to his death 1625. He was first and remained James VI, King of Scotland, but did not spend much time in Scotland after succeeding to the throne in England. James suffered chronic illness, wrote poetry, ailments caused facial deformity, could not get along with Parliament so could not raise money for war. He died in bed (unlike Stuart predecessors), but England had peace (Murray, 85-89).

Sources

1. ↑ Weis, Frederick Lewis. The Ancestry of Ensign Constant and Captain Thomas Southworth of Plymouth and Duxbury Massachusetts. (Dublin, N.H.: privately printed, 1958). FamilySearch.org LINK.
2. ↑ e.g. Weis. Ancestral Roots, editions 6 and earlier.
3. ↑ Note that the line is called unsupported in Ancestral Roots after the 6th edition, and does not appear in Richardson's Royal Ancestry series.
4. ↑ French, Robert L. "Who Was Edward Southworth of Leyden?" in The Mayflower Quarterly, vol. 88 (1992):10-15.
5. ↑ Source-Bron : Archiefnr: 1004 Archiefnaam Schepenhuwelijken (1592-1795) Inventarisnummer: 198 Folio: B - 021v Marriage May 4, 1613 Leiden and scan marriage record
6. ↑ Source: #S461 Page: p. 423
7. ↑ A Magna Charta site (http://www. magnacharta.com, Tracy Crocker 2007) states he was born about 1590 at London, England in county Middlesex. A book by Walter Lee Sheppards is probably the source.

• Cornell, Arthur Watson. "The Baronial Order of Magna Charta." Application No. 770, approved January 25, 1958. Edward Southworth born at London England circa 1590, died circa 1621 at Leyden, Holland, marrried at Leyden Holland to Alice Carpenter May 28, 1613.

• Crocker, Tracy Ashley 2007. " The Baronial Order of Magna Charta." The Baronial Order of Magna Charta, 1998-2006, Crocker ~ Ashley, 2007 Ref: [S39, S1100, http://www.magnacharta.com.

• Editorial Board. Webster's Geographical Dictionary. G. & C. Merriam Co., Publishers, Springfield, Mass., 1955, page 336, map; page 592 Lancashire. A port of Lancaster shown on map as north of Cheshire County. Lanca-shire or Lancaster . . . NW England . . . industrial centers Liverpool, Manchester, "watering" places Blackpool, Fleetwood, Morecambe, and Heysham, Southport . . . . History: Region part of Anglo-saxon kingdom of Northumbria and of the Danelaw; . . . an important medieval fief which in late 14th cent. became a county palatine; Lancastrian line of English kings the heirs of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster . . .

• Heritage Consulting. "Millennium File." The Generations Network, Inc., Provo, UT USA, 2003, (Ancestry.com). Created by the Institute for Family Research. Edward Southworth born 1590, Wrington, Somerset, England; died 1621, London, London County.

• Hills, Leon Clark. History and Genealogy of the Mayflower Planters. Genealogy Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1977). cited by Melton/Sharp.Langston, Aileen Lewers, James Orton Buck, and Timory Field Beard. Pedigrees of Charlemagne Vol. II. Genealogy Publishing Co., Inc. 1974-78, 1979, http://magnacharta.com. Nine charts to royal ancestry on site of "The Baronial Order of Magna Charta".

"Melton/Sharp Ancestry Chart." http://members.cox.net/trm/SouthworthEdward.htm. Edward Southworth was born abt 1590 and died abt 1621. He married Alice Carpenter, May 28, 1613 in Leyden, Holland. A record of Edward Southworth shows him at Leyden, Holland on November 13, 1610 as a witness; he married Alice Carpenter at Leyden on May 28, 1613 with his brother, Thomas, as his attendant. The record states he was from England.

• Murray, Jane. The Kings and Queens of England. A Tourist Guide. Charles Scribner's Sons, New York, 1974. See Appendix for index and sources, local snapshots. Reference list page 235 for Elizabeth I, James I. Pp. 85-89.

• The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston 1845-present, Vol XIV, 1860, pp. 195-196; XV, 1861, 30. Published Quarterly.

• Webber, Samuel G., A.B., M.D.. A Genealogy of the Southworths (Southards) Descendants of Constant Southworth with a Sketch of the Family in England. Samuel Usher, The Fort Hill Press, Boston, 1905, page 2, Ancestry.com, http://www.Ancestry.com. Copy of the record at Leyden (not a photocopy). Pages 1-21, 417, 419-420, 423-426

• Weis, Frederick Lewis; Walter Lee Sheppard. Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists ~ Who Came to New England between 1623 and 1650. Genealogy Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1976, fifth edition, http://magnacharta.com. Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, and Robert the Strong.Wheeler, W. A. Alden-Shedd Families - Part II.

• Crocker, Tracy Ashley 2007. "The Baronial Order of Magna Charta." The Baronial Order of Magna Charta, 1998-2006, Tracy Crocker, 2007 Ref [S39], http://www.magnacharta.com. S39 has book Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists . . . see source list here. Edward Southworth was born circa 1590 at London, county Middlesex, England. Weis, Frederick Lewis; Walter Lee Sheppard. Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists ~ Who Came to New England between 1623 and 1650. Genealogy Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1976, fifth edition. Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, and Robert the Strong. Edward Southworth was born circa 1590 at London, county Middlesex, England, the son of Thomas Southworth and Rosamund Lister.

• Cornell, Arthur Watson. "The Baronial Order of Magna Charta", Application No. 770, approved January 25, 1958. Edward Southworth married Alice Carpenter at Leyden, Holland on May 28, 1613.

• Crocker, Tracy Ashley 2007. The Baronial Order of Magna Charta, The Baronial Order of Magna Charta, 1998-2006, Tracy Crocker, 2007 (S39], http://www.magnacharta.com. Quoting Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Edward Southworth married Alice Carpenter on 28 May 1613 at Leyden, Holland.

• Webber, Samuel G., A.B., M.D. A Genealogy of the Southworths (Southards) Descendants of Constant Southworth with a Sketch of the Family in England. Samuel Usher, The Fort Hill Press, Boston, 1905, page 2, Ancestry.com, http://www.Ancestry.com. Copy of the record at Leyden (not a photocopy).

• Weis, Frederick Lewis; Walter Lee Sheppard. Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists ~ Who Came to New England between 1623 and 1650. Genealogy Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1976, fifth edition. Edward Southworth married Alice Carpenter on 28 May 1613 at Leyden, Holland.

• Samuel Gilbert Webber. A Genealogy of the Southworths (Southards) Descendants of Constant Southworth: With a Sketch of the Family in England. Fort Hill Press; 1905.

• Source S462 Title: The Ancestry of Ensign Constant and Captain Thomas Southworth Abbreviation: Southworth Gen. Weis Author: Frederick Lewis Weis, Th.D. Publication: Self-published, Dublin, NH, 1958

• CatorFamily.com Cator Family

• Brainerd, Dwight. Ancestry of Thomas Chalmers Brainerd (Montreal, Quebec, 1948) Page 82: He is the son of Thomas Southworth and Jane Mynne.

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Note: Edward Southworth and Thomas Southworth are now removed as sons of Thomas Southworth, Esq., and his wife, Rosamond Lister, see this Alleged Royal Ancestry of Edward Southworth free space page with research info and this Alleged Royal Ancestry of Edward Southworth (and his brother Thomas) G2G Timmerman-225 19:02, 29 June 2017 (EDT)