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Agnes Stewart was the daughter of James Stewart, 1st Earl of Buchan and his mistress Margaret Murray. Her date of birth is unknown. Agnes, Countess of Bothwell, was the mistress of King James IV of Scotland. She died in 1557.
The following is from the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy:
AGNES (-Feb 1557). Mistress of JAMES IV King of Scotland, son of JAMES III King of Scotland & his wife Margarethe of Denmark
She m firstly (1511) ADAM Hepburn Earl of Bothwell, son of Patrick Hepburn Earl of Bothwell & his second wife Margaret Gordon of the Earls of Huntly ([1492]-killed in battle Pinkie 9 Sep 1513).
m secondly ([9 Sep 1513/14 Feb 1514]) ALEXANDER Lord Home, son of ALEXANDER Home Lord Home (-beheaded Edinburgh 8 Oct 1516, bur Greyfriars).
m thirdly ([1520/15 Nov 1525]) as his second wife, ROBERT Maxwell Lord Maxwell, son of JOHN Maxwell Lord Maxwell & his wife Agnes Stewart of Garlies ([1493/94]-Logan 9 Jul 1546). He died in 1546.
m fourthly (before 13 Dec 1549) as his first wife, CUTHBERT Ramsay, son of NICHOLAS Ramsay of Dalhousie & his wife --- (-after Feb 1557).
She is sometimes given a son Richard Ramsay by her 4th husband Cuthbert Ramsay. Richard Ramsay cannot be the son of Agnes Stewart. Agnes's mother died in 1486, and her father in 1499. Agnes married as her 4th husband Cuthbert Ramsay between 1546-1549. Agnes was at least 60 years old when she married Cuthbert and probably older. I believe this is a misreading of The Scots Peerage, which states Cuthbert married Agnes and separately states he had a son Richard. The assumption made was that Richard was a son of Agnes - he must be the son of an earlier unknown wife.[1][2]
She has been identified incorrectly as Isabel the daughter of James Stewart by his wife Margaret Ogilvy, instead of his mistress Margaret Murray.[3][4]
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It seems likely that other secondary sources that refer to Agnes as Isabella, (for instance Alison Weir's 'Britain's Royal Families' p.242) are sourcing The Scots Peerage, without referring to the Addenda and Corrigenda, and that Isabel or Isabella is incorrect as an alternative name.
If these two aren't the same ladies there is, in the least, a lot of speculation on both profiles with a lot of blanks and "Uncertains". I don't see there being undocumented twins to this line and it seems both have some confusion on if the name is Margaret or Isabel or even Jane (there is a sister Margaret connected as well. I am hoping to clarify some things as I am a direct descendent through several siblings (as are many if us I'm sure) but I have adopted some of the profiles closer to 1500 until I am certified and would like to learn as much as possible while also contributing if I'm able. I just ask that before ignoring this we look at the family a bit closer- plus most people aren't pre-1500 & wouldn't be able to jump and complete this anyway. I am going to post this on both pages. Thanks for your time, Becky Elizabeth (Simmons-11603)
The reason that the other profile is referred to as Isabel or Margaret or Jane (all Uncertain) is that her name isn't mentioned in any reliable source found so far. It would probably be better to have her name as Unknown, and in the biography mention the possibilities. She is mentioned in the Addenda and Corrigenda to The Scots Peerage https://archive.org/details/scotspeeragefoun09paul/page/46/mode/2up
So I will reject your proposed merge, and re-instate a merge to the profile of Agnes Stewart.
It would be useful to add https://archive.org/details/scotspeeragefoun02paul/page/156/mode/2up as a worthwhile source for this page.
edited by James Heald
Since I am not pre-1500 Certified, do you think you could add Robert Maxwells parents to the tree, meaning Agnes in-law parents through her husband Robert Maxwell? Your cooperation would be appreciated.
Regards,
Enrique
The page from The Scots Peerage is here https://archive.org/details/scotspeeragefoun04paul/page/152
I have a source that may burst everyone's bubble including my own bubble regarding this particular Agnes (Stewart) Maxwell as being the daughter of James Stewart.
Through a new source shared to me, I now believe that this particular Agnes (Stewart) Maxwell is NOT the daughter of James Stewart. Instead, she is the daughter of Alexander Stewart 3rd of Garlies and Elizabeth Douglas. This Agnes is better known as Agnes Stewart of Garlies. She married Robert Charteris of Amisfield.
See Maxwell, Earl of Nithsdale, pages 478 & 479. I will attempt to provide a more formal citation of this source at a future time.