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Alice (Unknown) Taylor (abt. 1605 - 1657)

Alice (Asca) "Achsah" Taylor formerly [surname unknown] aka Waterbury
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 52 in Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut Colonymap
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Asca (Unknown) Taylor migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640).
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Biography

Alice Unknown

Unknown Origin

The birth date, place and parents of Alice are unknown. She is assumed to have been born at England. Her first name has been transcribed as "Asca" by Bond.[1] Anderson believes this is a mis-reading of "Alce," which was a typical 17th Century spelling of Alice.[2] The birth date 1605 is a guess, based on the guessed birth date of her 2nd husband, Gregory Taylor, given by Anderson as 1605.

Alice is sometimes assumed to have been Alice Parcett, for unknown reasons, without evidence (Ancestry Tree is source).

Uncertain Marriages

Alice may have married twice. It is possible that she was the identical Alice who was married to William Waterbury when they became members of the Boston church in the fall of 1630, members #35 and #36.[3] William and Alice apparently returned to England after a few years, as no trace of their deaths has been found in England or America (p 11).

The theory that Alice was the wife of both men rests on the claim that John Waterbury had on the estate of Gregory Taylor, the rarity of the name Alice, and the possibility that both Waterbury and Taylor originated at the same part of Suffolk in England, and therefore may have known each other there.[3]

Uncertain Children

The Jonathan Waterbury Genealogy ...' by Grace Waterbury (1930) makes the claim that records of Jonathan's family (with six children) are found at Sudbury, Suffok England.[4] Anderson is doubtful, because there are date problems. Only one child is proven, John Waterbury, of Stamford, Connecticut.

Child of William and Alice (Unknown) Waterbury:[3]

  1. John Waterbury b say 1614*; m Rose (Unknown) according to Anderson.

* Note there is record of a John Waterbury, son of William, baptism December 30, 1621 at St. Peter's, Sudbury, England. However the Rachel, who married in 1559 at Stamford, was apparently the eldest of John's children. If John was the usual twenty-five at marriage, then Rachel is only about twelve at her marriage. Anderson recommends a compromise in which John marries at twenty-one and Rachel at sixteen. This would make for "two successive short generations, which should be viewed with caution," according to Anderson.[3] It also contradicts the 1621 baptism date for John at St. Peter's.

Child of Gregory and Alice (Unknown) Waterbury Taylor:[2]

  1. Samuel Taylor, b 3 Apr 1632, bur 6 April 1632 Watertown, aged 3 days.

Death and Legacy

Alice died at Stamford on 18 August 1657.[2]

Sources

  1. Bond, Henry; Jones, Horatio Gates, Genealogies of the families and descendants of the early settlers of Watertown, Massachusetts, including Waltham and Weston : to which is appended the early history of the town, published 1860. Page 601, via Internet Archive
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 Anderson, Robert Charles, (1995) "Gregory Taylor" Featured name. The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III. NEHGS AmericanAncestors.org, accessed 6 Sept 2016 (Vol I-III, Pages 1802).
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 Anderson, Robert C., 1995 "William Waterbury" Featured name. Great Migration Study Project, Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to N.E. 1620-1633, Vols I-III. AmericanAncestors.org accessed 15 June 2016 (Vol I-III, Pages 1939-40).
  4. Waterbury, Grace Adelle., (1930) Jonathan Waterbury Genealogy ... Oswego, NY: Palladium-Times HathiTrust.org accessed 15 June 2016 (Pages 9, 11, 28, 113-14).

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Just a query. I have never seen her name as "Asca"; however, I have seen "Achsah". From which source is the name "Asca"?
posted by BB Sahm
It was Genealogies of the families and descendants of the early settlers of Watertown, Massachusetts, including Waltham and Weston by Henry Bond, published 1860, page 601. Here is a link: https://archive.org/details/genealogiesoffam00bond/page/601/mode/1up See the Gregory Taylor information.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
This source also listed a second Taylor child, Seabred who was born Mar. 11, 1642-3. I see no profile for Seabred here. Are there no other references to substantiate Seabred Taylor? His existence could explain the tenuous hold the Waterbury sons of Alice had over Gregory's estate.

Where's Seabred?

posted by BB Sahm
edited by BB Sahm
Parcette-1 and Unknown-218424 appear to represent the same person because: While there exists much uncertainty regarding William Waterbury and his children, his wife was generally known as Alice ______ in Anderson, Torrey, and Jonathan Waterbury genealogy. Alice ______ married second Gregory Taylor per Anderson, as well as Torrey. Yes, there is uncertainty regarding William and Alice's children - was there just John, or were there others too? - it isn't in dispute that Alice (or some variation thereof) was his wife. The only "source" in which I have seen the last name Parcet referenced is in Ancestry as Our Second Boat Ship List. In Second Boat (Downeast Ancestry, Machias, ME), vol. 16:4 (Fall 1996), pp. 14-20. by Carol Tyler King. The record on Ancestry says that she arrived in 1629-30 in a household of 1. She isn't associated with William Waterbury in that record. The periodical is evidently not available online. However, searching it was possible, and there was one page which had her name on it; the same page also had William Waterbury. However, this hardly makes it a quality source - especially since it is impossible to view what the book cites for its source(s)

Let's merge the two Alice profiles together into the Unknown last name (PPP), and we can continue to research and try to resolve the mystery of the children of William and Alice.

posted by S (Hill) Willson
edited by S (Hill) Willson
Parcette-1 and Parcett-1 appear to represent the same person because: LNAB is difference in spelling usual for this time period,
posted on Parcette-1 (merged) by Wendy (Ling) Sullivan
Please notice the Forum: G2G question concerning Rose - Unknown vs Taylor? Which should she be?

Awaiting your comments - thoughts. Thanks!

posted by Cynthia (Billups) B
Parcett-1 Unmerged match

Have made a profile for Alice Unknown, who may have been the identical woman who was the wife of both William Waterbury and Gregory Taylor.

Please have a look at all profiles concerned (and also the original sources - especially the articles by Anderson) to see whether we ought to merge these.

Thanks!

posted by Cynthia (Billups) B
Suggest Alice's last name at birth be changed to "Unknown." For Puritan Great Migration profiles, we follow Anderson, who reports we do not know her last name at birth.

On the other hand, if there is new evidence (since 1995), please add it to the profile. Thanks!

posted on Parcette-1 (merged) by Cynthia (Billups) B

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