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Rose (Allen) Newland (bef. 1621 - abt. 1690)

Rose Newland formerly Allen aka Holloway
Born before in Somerset, Englandmap
Wife of — married about 1638 in Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
Wife of — married 19 May 1648 in Sandwich, Barnstable, MAmap
Descendants descendants
Died about after about age 69 in Sandwich, Barnstable, Massachusettsmap
Profile last modified | Created 13 Dec 2010
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Biography

Rose (Allen) Newland immigrated to New England as a child during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640).

Birth

Rose Allen was born in England, before 1621. Her birth location is unknown, but it is possible she was from the Somerset area.[1]A noted Allen researcher places her birth year as 1610, although Anderson places it closer to 1621.

Marriages

She married, as her first husband, Joseph Holloway about 1638/39.[1][2][3] Joseph, who was a millwright by trade, is thought to have been born in about 1605 in England.

Sometime after their marriage, Joseph and Rose appear to have settled for a short period of time at Dorchester in the Massachusetts Bay Colony (now within Suffolk County, Massachusetts). In about 1637 they moved to the newly established settlement of Sandwich in the New Plymouth Colony of Massachusetts (now within Barnstable County, Massachusetts), where they appear to have resided for the remainder of their lives. While residing at Sandwich, Rose became very active in the Quaker movement and was often persecuted for her beliefs. Joseph Holloway died at Sandwich in 1647.

She married, as her second husband, William Newland, 19 May 1648.[4]

Death

She died about 1690 OR 1694 in Sandwich, Barnstable, Mass[5]

Questions regarding birth date postulated by Anderson

Anderson's estimate of Rose's birth year raises some questions: Inconsistent with other secondary sources which estimate closer to 1609/10.[6]

Assuming 1621, Rose would have been around 14 years old at the time her father, step-mother, and brothers came to the new world, yet she did not come with them. 1621 also puts her birth very close to the time her mother passed away (plausible, but does raise questions).

No known marriage record in the Colony, suggesting they were married in England before immigrating. Marriage date also at odds with the idea that she and Joseph Holloway were living (together?) in Dorchester in 1636.

First child at 17 - before Anderson's 'by about 1639' estimate if son Joseph's birth year (1638) is correct. Puts her married and immigrating around the age of 15, and marrying a man 14 years her senior. Marries second to another man also 14-16 years her senior.

Taken together, this timeline seems questionable.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Anderson, Robert Charles. The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, vol. 1: A - F, (Boston: NEHGS, 1995).$
  2. Torry, Clarence A. New England Marriages Prior to 1700. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004.$
  3. The Pioneers of Massachusetts. pg 236
  4. Ancestry.com. Massachusetts, Compiled Marriages, 1633-1850. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.$
  5. Allens QUAKERS OF SHENANDOAH. pg 5 FHL 929.273 AL653dd
  6. MacDonald, Jack. The Allen Family, Descendants of George Allen of England and Sandwich, Massachusetts. [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jacmac/allen.pdf




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This person immigrated to New England between 1621-1640 as a Minor Child (under age 21 at time of immigration) of a Puritan Great Migration immigrant who is profiled in Robert Charles Anderson's Great Migration Directory (or is otherwise accepted by the Puritan Great Migration (PGM) Project).

Please feel free to improve the profile(s) by providing additional information and reliable sources. PGM encourages the Profile Managers to monitor these profile for changes; if any problems arise, please contact the PGM Project for assistance. Please note that PGM continues to manage the parent's profile, but is happy to assist on the children when needed.

posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
I am unclear as to the purpose of the 26 Jan edits, and wish to express a strong sentiment for retaining Jack MacDonald's direct cite regarding Rose's biography. Mr. MacDonald spent more than 30 years studying and researching the Allen family, has provided his consent for quoting and sourcing him, and provides well-written background and context for Rose's life.
posted by Bryan McCullagh
Thank you for your comment Bryan. I believe the person who edited will be along shortly, and the two of you can discuss.
Bryan, the source is still cited and none of the pertinent data was changed. It was to shorten the profile and make it readable.
posted by Alan Pendleton
Regarding recent changes to Rose's birth date and birth order, I remain reasonably convinced that Rose was born much earlier than the 1621 date postulated by Anderson. This is also the view held by Jack MacDonald, who spent more than 30 years researching the Allen family.

It's perfectly fine to have a discussion about this in the comments section, but the Bio section is not the appropriate place for a debate.

To address comments in the current Bio: no, it was NOT 'perfectly normal' for a 15 year old girl to marry a man 14 years older than she. In fact, it was not normal for any 15 year old to be married. Even in the 1600's, marriages generally occurred in the early- to mid-twenties.

I am reverting (re-adding) prior points made in the Bio as to why the 1621 birth date is questionable, and - as a profile manager - would appreciate discussion before making further significant and sweeping changes to a Pre-1700 Bio such as this.

posted by Bryan McCullagh
edited by Bryan McCullagh
Why is Rose's last name "Unknown?" The Great Migration Begins confirms that she is a daughter of the immigrant George Allen.
posted by J. (Pearson) Salsbery
Allen-16223 and Allen-1294 appear to represent the same person because: Same name, same parents, same husband, estimated dates are close
posted by Bob Tonsmeire
UNKNOWN-101827 and Allen-1294 appear to represent the same person because: Appear to be represent spouse of the same person, Joseph Holley, though the birth and death dates for Rose Unknown appear to be off.
posted by Thomas Randolph
As a part of the merge from Allen-13972, I used the birth date of 1610, vs. 1621 from Anderson.

1610 is the date supported by Jack MacDonald, a leading Allen researcher.

Also see notes in Bio regarding why the 1621 date seems questionable. Certainly open to discussion on this.

posted by Bryan McCullagh
Removing the section labelled "Rose's parents and siblings". Siblings can be seen in the main body. The Thurcaston connection (father George and his wife) has been all but proven to be without merit.
posted by Bryan McCullagh

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