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Thomas ab Adam (abt. 1285 - 1345)

Sir Thomas ab Adam
Born about in Wernddu, Monmouthshire, Walesmap
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Died at about age 60 in Wernddu, Monmouthshire, Walesmap
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Biography

For the profile of Jenkin ab Adam, see Jenkin ab Adam

Bradney’s ‘History of Monmouthshire’ shows the ‘ap Adam’ line ending in the male line in 1424, ‘John Badam ( ap Adam ) died without issue in 1424’. But, a sister named Elizabeth married John Huntley of St Briavels. Interestingly, this John Huntley ( the spouse of Elizabeth ), was the uncle of John Huntley of Treowen.

1285 Birth

Thomas ap was born in 1285. He is the son of Cristyn vz Gwarwin Ddu and Adam ap Cynhaethwy. When Sir Thomas ap Adam was born in 1285, Monmouthshire, Wales, his father, Adam FitzHebert, Lord of Llanllowell, was 17 and his mother, Christian Verch Gwaring, was 14. He had at least 2 sons with Margaret verch Llewelyn.

Darrell Wolcott places the birth year of Sir Thomas ab Adam as 1285. [1]

Hir-bert in Welsh means "very tall."

He had a small Monmouthshire estate at Llanvapley and the office of master sergeant of the lordship of Abergavenny, a place which gave him precedence after the steward of that lordship.[citation needed][2]

Boyer, following Bartrum, does not show a son Thomas for Adam ap Cynhaethwy. [3]

Lands

Thomas was Lord of Llanllowel. [1]

Marriage

The latter married Margery, daughter of Sir John ap Thomas ap John ap Sir Thomas the eldest son of Adam ap Cynhaethwy ap Adam Gwent. It was this Margery who was heiress of LLANLLOWEL. She and her husband, John Huntley had only daughters, so LLANLLOWEL went to the eldest daughter, also called Margery, who married Thomas Parker. The Parker family continued to own LLANLLOWEL well into the 18 th century.

Llanllowell was located in the parish of Llantrisant Fawr in the hundred of Usk, just north of Caerleon

Research Note

Balliol abdicates Scottish throne. Edward makes progress to Elgin and on the way back takes Scots' coronation stone from Scone which was recently restored to Scotland with the establishment of the Scottish parliament(1296). In this year Nicholas ap Adam is recorded as Lord of Llanllowel.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Darrell Wolcott, Ancient Wales Studies, The Herbert Family Pedigree Accessed 9 April 2021 jhd
  2. Entered by Dallas Riedesel.
  3. Carl Boyer, 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. Generally follows Bartrum. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. Adam ap Cynhaewthwy is #4 on page 167.
  • Source: S004330 Title: Millennium File Author: Heritage Consulting Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2003.Original data - Heritage Consulting. The Millennium File. Salt Lake City, UT, USA: Heritage Consulting.Original data: Heritage Consulting. The Millennium File. Salt Lake City, UT, USA

Acknowledgements

  • Thanks to Dallas Riedesel for starting this profile. Click the Changes tab for the details of contributions by Dallas and others.
  • This person was created through the import of Newman Family Tree.ged on 12 March 2011.
  • This person was created through the import of Acrossthepond.ged on 21 February 2011.
  • WikiTree profile Ap Adam-15 created through the import of WILLIAMS 2011.GED on Jun 22, 2011 by Ted Williams. See the Adam-15 Changes page for the details of edits by Ted and others.
  • WikiTree profile Ap Adam-14 created through the import of FISCUS Family Tree.ged on Jun 6, 2011 by Liisa Small. See the Adam-14 Changes page for the details of edits by Liisa and others.

Sir Joseph Bradney’s ‘History of Monmouthshire’ Vol I The Hundred Of Skenfrith: Part I, pub, Academy Books 1991.

A History of Monmouthshire from the Coming of the Normans into Wales down to the Present Time (1904-1993), Bradney, Sir Joseph Alfred, (Publications of the South Wales Record Society, number 8. Five volumes in 13. London: Mitchell, Hughes and Clarke, 1904-1993), FHL book 942.43 H2b., vol. 1 p. 199*; vol. 3 p. 147.


G E Cockayne, The Complete Peerage, published by Sutton Publishing Ltd, Stroud, Gloucestershire, 1998, pp, 179 – 181.

www.ancientwalesstudies.org

T Jones: History of Brecknockshire P. 394

D Wolcott: The Herbert Family Pedigree P. 3


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Created through the import of Schauman Skinner Tree_2011-05-21.ged on 22 May 2011. Ap Adam-17 created through the import of Adele Schauman Skinner_2011-07-11.ged on Jul 11, 2011 by Adele Schauman.

Created through the import of Rodney Timbrook Ancestors and Relatives_2010-09-10.ged on 10 September 2010.

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Ab Adam-17 and Ab Adam-9 appear to represent the same person because: same person
posted by Al Adams
I have gone through and updated this family using Boyer, which is based on Bartrum, and requested addition to the trusted lists of some of the profiles so I could upgrade the LNABs. "Adam" starts with a vowel, so the Welsh patronymic prefix is "ab".

There does seem to have been a Sir Thomas, in addition to younger brother Jenkin, identified in Ancient Wales Studies.

posted by Jack Day
edited by Jack Day
I have added the Categories for the cantref and Ancient Kingdom
posted by Steve Bartlett
Wern-ddu was a manor -- was it in the Is Coed Cantref? I googled Wern-ddu and it seems to apply to a location in the south and another in the north of Wales. Presumably Monmouthshire is not the location that should be in the birth and death places -- but it seems like Gwent is considerably to the west of where Monmouthshire is. Trying to learn Welsh geography!
posted by Jack Day
The bio text in this profile seems to correspond to the attached son. Are they duplicates?
posted on Ap Adam-41 (merged) by Rakelle (Østenstad) Teschner
Father born circa 1301; son born 1310...chronology issue
posted on Ap Adam-41 (merged) by Michael Meggison
Thanks for pointing that out, Michael. As you have an interest in this area would you like to come and help us with the enormous task of working our way through medieval Welsh records?
posted on Ap Adam-41 (merged) by Steve Bartlett
I am following Wolcott on this line. 1 step at a time.
posted on Ap Adam-8 (merged) by Al Adams
P.S. There was also a Thomas ab Adam, brother of Jenkin, but he did not marry either of these women. Jenkin, shown here as son, is also shown marrying his father's wife. This needs to be untangled.
posted on Ap Adam-41 (merged) by Vic Watt
The correct Welsh particle would be 'ab." I would like to change his LNAB to include the particle and to conform with the Cymru naming standards. Also, the references I find call him Jenkin/Ienkin/Siankyn or John, so I want to change his first name to Jenkin, with the others as nicknames. Objections?
posted on Ap Adam-41 (merged) by Vic Watt
pending merge
posted on Ap Adam-41 (merged) by Michelle (Bairfield) Brooks