Benjamin Babcock U.E.
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Benjamin Babcock U.E. (abt. 1754 - 1829)

Benjamin Babcock U.E.
Born about in Haverstraw, Orange, New Yorkmap [uncertain]
Ancestors ancestors
Son of [uncertain] and [uncertain]
Husband of — married 1789 in Kingston, Ontariomap [uncertain]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 75 in Ernestown, Addington, Upper Canadamap
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Benjamin Babcock was a United Empire Loyalist.
UEL Status:Proven
Date: Undated

Contents

Biography

This profile is part of the Babcock Name Study.

Sorting out the Benjamin Babcocks

Three Benjamin Babcocks are associated with migration to Canada. This is the profile of Benjamin 1 who resided at Haverstraw, Kingstown, and Ernestown. Benjamin 2 resided in New York, Nova Scotia, Kingstown, and Camden, living longer than the Benjamin of this profile. Benjamin 3 was from Orange County New York, fought and died for the crown during the War and his widow and children migrated to Kingston after the war. They all may have been cousins.

Biographical Highlights

Benjamin Babcock was born about 1754 probably in Haverstraw Township, Orange County, New York. [1] [2]

Benjamin's father’s name was Job according to the 1839 Land Petition of Benjamin's son David. Job Babcock whose Will mentions a son Benjamin may have been the father of any of the Benjamin Babcock loyalists. His children are named as Benjamin, David, William, and Abigail. Benjamin Babcock #2 does have a proven brother named David based on land petitions).

Benjamin Babcock served the English Crown during the American Revolutionary War, either as a soldier or by providing supplies or other support, and was acknowledged as a United Empire Loyalist. [3]

Benjamin Babcock remained loyal to the British Crown during the War of 1812. [3]

Susanna (Hopkins) Babcock wife of Job Babcock may be the mother of any of the Benjamin Babcocks based on names in the Will of Job Babcock [4])

This Benjamin Babcock lived in Kingston Township, later in Ernestown Township, and perhaps finally in Loughborough Township, where he died in 1829 as testified to by his son in law Cornelius Hogaboom in 1834. [5][1]

Benjamin was born about 1754 to a father Job

From OntarioGenWeb "Sorting out the Benjamin Babcocks by Raymond L. Babcock": [1]

David Babcock of Camden described himself as son of Benjamin Babcock (deceased) of Kingston in his 1839 petition. An affidavit sworn by William Lewis in March of 1840 is attached: "William Lewis of the Township of Camden in the Midland District, yeoman, a UE Loyalist, maketh oath and saith that he was personally acquainted with Benjamin Babcock of the Township of Kingston, a U.E. Loyalist, that the said Benjamin Babcock is now deceased and would have been had he lived until this time upwards of seventy-five years of age. Deponent further saith that he was also personally acquainted with the father of the aforesaid Benjamin Babcock and grandfather of David Babcock and that his Christian name was Job." (Petition B 22/74) (Thus 1754 is his estimated birth year)

Since Lewis's testimony occurs in 1840, and he refers to "Benjamin Babcock of Kingston" as deceased, this can ONLY refer to the Benjamin Babcock 1 of this profile. Benjamin Babcock 2 was still alive in 1840. Benjamin Babcock 3 died during the war and never resided in Kingston.

Also from "Sorting out the Benjamin Babcocks" one sees that William Lewis claimed under oath in 1834 that he had known the Benjamin Babcock of this profile since childhood. Lewis had gone on to marry Elizabeth Babcock daughter of Rachel and Samuel Babcock of Warwick Township. Elizabeth's father Samuel had died in the War, but Lewis's connection to the family since his own "childhood would seem to indicate that Benjamin was raised at Haverstraw or Warwick Twp., Orange Co., New York, and possibly born there. [1]

Children of Benjamin Babcock 1 and Rachel Decker

See also Research Notes on Sorting out the Children below.

  1. Rachel J (Babcock) Powley (1790-1879), Order-in-Council Nov. 23, 1816, m. James Powley. Mentions Benjamin of Ernestown in her petition confirming this is her father. Name spelled Rachele. [6] [7] [8]
  2. John Prince Babcock (abt.1801-1872) petitioned January 30, 1834 also submitted land petition on behalf of sister Elizabeth)
  3. Elizabeth, described as a lunatic in her brother John’s petition on her behalf, Oct. 11, 1836. She was likely unmarried as her brother petitioned on her behalf and she is thought to have no children)
  4. Jacob, b. ~1799, petitioned August 30, 1829 and July 10, 1833. Mentions Benjamin of Ernestown in his petition, thus proven to be the son of this Benjamin 1. [2]
  5. Benjamin Babcock (abt.1804-) of Ernestown, petitioned July 10, 1833 (?)
  6. Panina, Her petition of April 27, 1831 confirms father as Benjamin Babcock late of Ernestown, m. Cornelius Hogaboom (name may be seen as Pamina)
  7. James of Ernestown, b. ~1809, m. Hannah Loveless. James petitioned April 27, 1831, Petition confirms his father as this Benjamin of Ernestown.
  8. Catharine, of Elizabethtown, petitioned November 17, 1837, m. William Kelly
  9. Peter of the April 24, 1816 land petition? Mentions Ernestown, Seems to be two Peters. Is this one Peter E Babcock (1794-1881?))
  10. David. 1839 land petition. From Dawn Horstead's research "David is 40 – 50 yrs; Benjamin Babcock is deceased; Wm Lewis gives oath that Benjamin would have been “upwards of” 75 yrs and his father was Job." This confirms his father as Benjamin of Ernestown. [9]
  11. Sarah (abt.1797-abt.1852), who petitioned April, 27,1820, m. Isaac Smith. Benjamin Babcock was alive in 1820, when his daughter, made this petition for land. [3]

Marriage

Benjamin Babcock married Rachel Decker in about 1789. She out lived him, so all children of his can be assumed to be hers as well. (This was not the Rachel Decker of Maine as some forums posit. That Rachel married someone else and had children while this one was having her children). This marriage may have occurred in the United States as their first child Rachel reported on the 1851 Census that she was born in the United States. She was born about 1790. [10]

Death

Benjamin Babcock died in 1829 in Ernestown, Upper Canada (now Ontario). His death date and place of residence are critical to interpreting the land petitions of the children of men named Benjamin Babcock.

Research Notes

Important Note

  • Some researchers, including myself (Alan Boyce), had previously overlooked the critical first page (labelled "345") of the land petition of Sarah (Babcock) Smith -- the petition has four pages (labelled "354, 354a, 354b, 354c"), not three, as previously believed. [3]
  • The first page of the petition, (labelled "345", without a suffix), was signed by Sarah (Babcock) Smith and reveals critical information that contradicts information presented on a subsequent page of the petition, that page signed only by other parties.
  • The consequence of this oversight is discussed in these notes, following the transcription of the land petition.

Land Petition of Sarah (Babcock) Smith (Transcribed)

Transcription of the images of the Land Petition of Sarah (Babcock) Smith downloaded from Library and Archives Canada. (The images are also attached to this profile.) [3]

Page 354

The Petition of Sarah Smith of the Township of Kingston in the Midland District, Province of Upper Canada, Humbly Sheweth, That your Petitioner is the daughter of Benjamin Babcock of the township of Kingston in the Midland District, a U. E. Loyalist; that she is married and has never received any Land or order for Land from the Crown; Your Petitioner, therefore, prays that your Honor in Council will be pleased to grant unto her two hundred acres of the waste Lands of the Crown, and permit Matthew Clark Esq. to be her Agent to locate the same and receive the Patent when completed. And as in duty bound, will ever pray.
Sarah X Smith
her Mark
Midland District Sessions,
Sarah Smith maketh Oath and saith, that she is the person she describes herself to be in the foregoing Petition; that she is married and has not heretofore received any Land or order for Land from the Crown.
Sarah X Smith
her Mark
Sworn in open Sessions, before me, this 27 day of April 1820
Alex. Fisher
Chairman
Midland District Sessions,
Samuel Babcock maketh Oath and saith, that he was present and saw Sarah Smith sign the foregoing Petitiong; that she is the person she therein describes herself to be; that she is married and has never received any land or order for land from the Crown, to the best of this Deponent's knowledge and belief.
Samuel X Babcock
his Mark
Sworn in open Sessions, before me, this 27 day of April 1820
Alex. Fisher
Chairman
The foregoing is a Duplicate Petition, the former one since to be lost.
AMcL

Page 354a

District _____ TO WIT:
We Alexander Fisher Esq. Chairman,
and Allan MacLean [sp?] Clerk of the Peace, Certify,
that Sarah Smith personally appeared before the General Court of Quart Sessions of the Peace this day, and is recognized by the Magistrates to be the daughter of the late Benjamin Babcock
who retained his Loyalty during the late war; without suspicion of aiding or assisting the enemy; and that he has done his duty in defence of the Province during the late war.
Dated at the Court-House in Kingston in the said District, this 27th day of April in the year of our Lord One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty.
Alex Fisher
Chairman
Allan MacLean
Clerk of the Peace
Midland District
Page 354b

I certify that the foregoing petitioner is married to Isaac Smith Jr. that he retained his Loyalty during the late war without any suspicion of his aiding or assisting the Enemy.
Matthew Clark Lt. Col.
Addington Militia
York 19th July 1820.
Page 354c

Sarah Smith
Petitioner for Land as D.U.E.
Received from Mr. Clark
17th July 1820
John [?]
[There are several hard-to-read notes and names on the fourth page, which is the outside or cover fold of the petition, including one passage that is crossed out. It seems that the confusion over the identity of her father, Benjamin Babcock, was encountered even in the review of the petition in 1820.
The annotation including the date and "200 acres" is clearly legible.]
... 26 July 1820
200 acres
WDP [?]

Analysis of Land Petition of Sarah (Babcock) Smith

Several conclusions can be determined from the 1820 land petition of Sarah (Babcock) Smith, which was acknowledged and approved by the courts in 1820. [3]
  • The petitioner's name was Sarah Smith and her maiden name was Babcock.
  • Her husband was Isaac Smith. (In his statement vouching for Sarah Smith submitted as part of her land petition (page 354b) in 1797, Matthew Clark Lt., Col. of the Addington Militia, referred to Sarah's husband as Isaac Smith Jr.) [3]
  • The petition was written on 27 April 1820.
  • Sarah Smith's signature on the petition was witnessed and her identity was confirmed by Samuel Babcock.
  • Conclusion #1: Based on the above, Samuel Babcock was a likely a close relative of Sarah (Babcock) Smith -- perhaps a brother or cousin.
  • The first page of the petition (labelled "345") is a standard pro-forma document containing all the basic boiler-plate text for land claims by children of United Empire Loyalists, and has had the specifics for this petition filled in by hand by the parties to the petition process.
  • Sarah Smith makes her mark as signature at the bottom of this first page, indicating that she is aware of the contents and language of that page.
  • Many individuals and families came to Upper Canada after the Revolutionary War because of their loyalty to the English Crown or perhaps because they perceived better opportunities there.
  • Furthermore, anyone petitioning for land in the Canadian Provinces was required to swear an oath of loyalty to the English Crown, or, if the petitioner was a woman, her father and husband was required to swear the oath or otherwise to demonstrate their loyalty. Therefore all such people could be considered loyalists, albeit not United Empire Loyalists.
  • However, the term "United Empire Loyalist" or "U.E.L." was used only to applied to those who had served "the Royal Standard" (i.e. the English) in the American Revolutionary War, as defined in 1789 by Lord Dorchester's Proclamation. [11] [12]
  • While other military service for the English Crown, including service in the War of 1812, might entitle someone to a land grant in Upper Canada, such other petitions would not have used this form and would have contained different language, indicating the specific service and conditions under which that petitioner was making the claim. There would be no mistaking those other petitioners as United Empire Loyalists.
  • Conclusion #2: The first page of Sarah Smith's petition makes it clear that her father was named Benjamin Babcock and that he was acknowledged as a United Empire Loyalist by the Governing Council of Upper Canada.
  • Conclusion #3: Following from the above facts and observations, Sarah Smith's father, Benjamin Babcock, must have been born sometime before about 1765 in order to have served in some part of the American Revolutionary War, which ran from 1775 through 1783.
  • In the handwrittten entry on that (signed) first page, Sarah Smith states that she is the "daughter of Benjamin Babcock of the township of Kingston." She makes no mention that he might be deceased, because she does not describe him as "the late Benjamin Babcock."
  • The second page of the petition (labelled "345a") is also a standard pro-forma document, in this case containing all the basic boiler-plate text for the certification of a person's loyalty during the "late war," that is, the War of 1812.
  • In this petition, this pro-forma certification is used to certify the loyalty of Sarah's father Benjamin Babcock.
  • This second page is not signed by Sarah Smith, but rather by Alexander Fisher, Chairman and Allan MacLean, Clerk of the Peace, Midland District. It is therefore reasonable to assume that Sarah Smith may not have been aware of the exact contents of this page. It is even possible that Sarah Smith was illiterate (hence her signature by an "X") and could not review it.
  • This second page is the only place in this 1820 document where Benjamin Babcock (father of Sarah Smith) is described as "the late Benjamin Babcock."
  • To resolve this difference, researchers may choose to put their confidence either in the words of Benjamin Babcock's daughter, for whom this was a document of critical importance, or instead to dismiss her words and place their faith in contradictory words written on a secondary document by a clerk, who processed many such petitions daily and thousands over time. [13] [1]
  • Conclusion #4: We are inclined to trust his daughter's account of the matter, and accept that Sarah Smith's father, Benjamin Babcock, was alive at the time of Sarah's petition in 1820.

Which Benjamin Babcock was the Father of Sarah (Babcock) Smith (abt.1797-abt.1852)?

  • Other researchers have uncovered (and had eliminated) at least three Benjamin Babcocks -- all involved in the American Revolutionary War and who had at various times been considered as the father of Sarah (Babcock) Smith. [1] [14] [15]
  • Two different Benjamin Babcocks petitioned for land as United Empire Loyalists before 1800, and are recorded in the (secondary source) "Loyalists in Ontario" by William Reid: [6]
    • Benjamin Babcock, who was in Kingston, Upper Canada (now Ontario) in 1792, petitioning for land as a U.E. on 4 September 1792;[16] (This Benjamin is referred to elsewhere as Benjamin 1);[14]
    • Benjamin Babcock, who traveled to Nova Scotia n 1782, and subsequently moved to Kingston, Upper Canada (now Ontario) with his wife and four children before 1797, petitioning for land on 15 July 1797.[17] (This Benjamin is referred to elsewhere as Benjamin 2).[14]
  • An oath, signed by Thomas Smith and attached to Elizabeth Ransier's land petition states that her father, Benjamin Babcock "... joined the British Standard before the year 1783 and died a soldier in his majesty's service ..." Since the American Revolutionary War was fought between 1775 and 1783, this Benjamin Babcock died sometime before 1783. [18]
  • Benjamin Babcock (abt.1762-abt.1843) (Benjamin 2) had a daughter Sarah Babcock who, according to the land petition of her brother Nicholas , was 44 in 1842, and therefore had been born about 1798. This Sarah (daughter of Benjamin 2) married Thomas Shannon and applied for and was granted land in 1835.
  • Benjamin Babcock UE (abt.1754-1829) (Benjamin 1) had been eliminated by some other researchers as the father of Sarah (Babcock) Smith because of their (we believe, mistaken) belief that Sarah (Babcock) Smith claimed that her father was deceased in the text of her 1820 petition for land.
  • However, we have demonstrated (Conclusion #4, above) that word "late" used to describe Sarah Smith's father was used only by a clerk; Sarah herself did not refer to her father as "late" in her petition. We believe that her father was alive in 1820.

Sorting out the Children

The two Benjamins who migrated to Canada had a number of identically named children (Rachel, Elizabeth, John, Peter, David, and Jacob). For a time they resided near one another. Their death dates vary. Benjamin Babcock #2 lived until about 1843, had a very large number of children who made land petitions. [14]

Benjamin 2's brother David Babcock UE (1752-1818) attested to Benjamin's children on 25 Jan 1804. David's list was accidentally attributed to the record of the Benjamin #1 as if there was only one Loyalist of that name. The current UELAC directory does not yet account for the three known Loyalists named Benjamin Babcock.

To Be Reviewed and Reconciled

  • By 1784-5 a Benjamin Babcock had arrived in Kingston (???), Upper Canada as a single man, a settler from the state of New York. [19] (Which Benjamin is this? Benjamin #2 was in Nova Scotia in 1784-5 and is seen in his land petition in Kingston about 1792. Is this a mix up with Kingston as a location or a misreading of dates.

Genetic links to Thomas Babcock of Haverstraw

A researcher communicating with the Babcock-Badcock DNA study who is proven to have descended from this profile's Benjamin Babcock UE has a surprisingly large set of autosomal DNA matches to descendants of the Thomas Babcock of Haverstraw who fought on the American side of the conflict. Thomas Babcock enlisted in the Second Regiment of the Orange County Militia (AKA the Haverstraw Militia) along with Job Babcock, Job E. Babcock, and James Babcock. If any descendant of this profile's Benjamin Babcock UE is finding a significant number of Autosomal DNA matches to the Thomas Babcock of Haverstraw, please comment here on wikitree or on the Babcock-Badcock DNA study at FTDNA.

Finding Any Upper Canada Land Petition On Line

Step 1

Start by doing a search on the person whose petition you are seeking. Try several searches with different spellings of both first and last names, and allow for mistakes in the transcriptions of the original documents regarding names, places, etc. (The search tool is not very sophisticated.)

Link to search page is here:
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/land/land-petitions-upper-canada-1763-1865/Pages/search-petitions-upper-canada.aspx

This will give you, among other vital info, the number of the microfilm on which the specific petition can be found. It will (likely) be accessed from this page or a subsequent page.

Step 2

Link to the (first page of the) list of microfilms (including hotlinks to each film):
https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-110.02-e.php?&q2=29&interval=50&sk=1&&

Step 3

Click to the number of the film to which you have been directed and scroll through the images on that film to find the petition you are seeking. The petition number is typically written near the top of each page but the sequence may appear to be illogical.

Be forewarned: this is a slow and laborious exercise. Adding to the challenge, these documents are mostly hand-written. With some patience you'll get the hang of it.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 Babcock, Raymond L., OntarioGenWeb "Sorting out the Benjamin Babcocks." Accessed on 4 September 2023 from http://www.ikweb.com/murduck/genealogy/resources/lennox-addington/articles/babcock.htm
  2. 2.0 2.1 Library and Archives Canada, Land Petitions of Upper Canada, 1763-1865
    Surname: Babcock
    Given Name(s): Jacob
    Place: Camden
    Year: 1833
    Volume: 58
    Bundle: B 19
    Petition: 2
    Pages: 478-485
    Reference: RG 1 L3
    Microfilm: C-1631
    (Accessed on 23 March 2024)
    Search Results at: https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/land/land-petitions-upper-canada-1763-1865/Pages/List.aspx?Surname=babcock&GivenName=jacob&
    Microfilm Index at: https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-110.02-e.php?&q2=29&interval=50&sk=1.
    Record at: https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2371&sqn=478&tt=915
    William Lewis Testimony on pg. 2f.
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 Library and Archives Canada, Land Petitions of Upper Canada, 1763-1865
    Surname: Babcock/Smith
    Given Name(s): Sarah
    Place: Kingston
    Year: 1820
    Volume: 460A
    Bundle: S 12
    Petition: 354
    Pages: 751-754
    Reference: RG 1 L3
    Microfilm: C-2813
    (Accessed on 16 January 2024)
    Search Results at: https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/land/land-petitions-upper-canada-1763-1865/Pages/List.aspx?Surname=Babcock/Smith&GivenName=Sarah&
    Microfilm Index at: https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-110.02-e.php?&q2=29&interval=50&sk=1.
    Record at: https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2617&sqn=751&tt=1247
  4. Will of Job Babcock
  5. Hogaboom testimony about Benjamin's death
  6. 6.0 6.1 William D. Reid: The Loyalists In Ontario - The Sons and Daughters of The American Loyalists Of Upper Canada. Hunterdon House, Lambertville, New Jersey, 1973. pg. 30.
    The Loyalists in Ontario (Title):
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Image (accessed 9 January 2024)
    Entries for two men named Babcock, Benjamin:
    Image (accessed 2 February 2024)
  7. United Empire Loyalists Association of Canada, Website, Loyalist Directory - Details for Benjamin Babcock. (Accessed on 23 March 2024 from https://uelac.ca/loyalist-directory/detail/?wpda_search_column_id=284)
  8. United Empire Loyalists Centennial Committee (Toronto, Ont.), The Centennial of the Settlement of Upper Canada by the United Empire Loyalists, 1784-1884, published 1885 by Toronto, Rose Publishing Co., pg. 334. (Accessed on 23 Mar 2024 from https://archive.org/details/centennialofsett00unituoft/page/132)
  9. Horstead, Dawn, UE, Sorting the Benjamin Babcock Children, published by United Empire Loyalists Association of Canada, 28 July 2023. (Accessed 22 March 2024 from https://uelac.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Benjamin-Babcock-Children-by-Dawn-Horstead.pdf)
  10. 1851 Census record for Rachel Powley
  11. Wikipedia contributors, "United Empire Loyalist," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Empire_Loyalist&oldid=1061741629 (accessed February 2, 2024).
  12. United Empire Loyalists Association of Canada, Lord Dorchester’s Proclamation (November 9, 1789). Full transcript available from https://uelac.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Lord-Dorchester-Proclamation.pdf (Accessed on 2 Feb 2024). Excerpted here:
    "Those Loyalists who have adhered to the unity of the Empire, and joined the Royal Standard before the Treaty of Separation in the year 1783, and all their children and their descendants by either sex, are to be distinguished by the following capitals, affixed to their names: U.E. alluding to their great principle the unity of the Empire."
  13. Raymond Babcock arrived at the same conclusion. See reference.
  14. 14.0 14.1 14.2 14.3 14.4 Horstead, Dawn, A Case for Three Benjamin Babcocks UE with connections to the Kingston Area, United Emipire Loyalists Association of Canada newsletter, June 2022. Accessed on 4 September 2023 from https://uelac.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Three-Benjamin-Babcocks-by-Dawn-Horstead.pdf
  15. Babcock, Kelli, The Babcock Family History, accessed on 4 Sept 2023 from https://babcock-history.com/exhibits/show/our-family-history.
  16. Library and Archives Canada, Land Petitions of Upper Canada, 1763-1865
    Surname: Babcock
    Given Name(s): Benjamin
    Place: Kingston
    Year: 1792
    Volume: 67
    Bundle: B Misc. 1788-1795
    Petition: 1
    Pages: 1027-1029
    Reference: RG 1 L3
    Microfilm: C-1634
    (Accessed on 2 Feb 2024)
    Search Results at: https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/land/land-petitions-upper-canada-1763-1865/Pages/List.aspx?Surname=babcock&GivenName=benjamin&
    Microfilm Index at: https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-110.02-e.php?&q2=29&interval=50&sk=1.
    Record at: https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2374&sqn=1027&tt=1098
  17. Library and Archives Canada, Land Petitions of Upper Canada, 1763-1865
    Surname: Babcock
    Given Name(s): Benjamin
    Place: Kingston
    Year: 1797
    Volume: 31
    Bundle: B 4
    Petition: 89
    Pages: 684-686
    Reference: RG 1 L3
    Microfilm: C-1620
    (Accessed on 2 Feb 2024)
    Search Results at: https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/land/land-petitions-upper-canada-1763-1865/Pages/List.aspx?Surname=babcock&GivenName=benjamin&
    Microfilm Index at: https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-110.02-e.php?&q2=29&interval=50&sk=1.
    Record at: https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2360&sqn=684&tt=1084
  18. 18.0 18.1 Library and Archives Canada, Land Petitions of Upper Canada, 1763-1865
    Surname: Ransier
    Given Name(s): Elizabeth
    Place: Kingston
    Year: 1797
    Volume: 424
    Bundle: R 3
    Petition: 118
    Pages: 1093-1095
    Reference: RG 1 L3
    Microfilm: C-2740
    (Accessed on 4 Feb 2024)
    Search Results at: https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/land/land-petitions-upper-canada-1763-1865/Pages/List.aspx?Surname=ransier&GivenName=elizabeth&
    Microfilm Index at: https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-110.02-e.php?&q2=29&interval=50&sk=201
    Record at: https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2594&sqn=1093&tt=1215
  19. L.B.K. (Land Board of Kingston), 1792—200 (acres?).

Acknowledgements

Researched by Sara V Mosher, Ray Babcock, Dawn Horstead, and R Adams. See changes tabs for additional contributors to this profile.





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Babcock-8931 and Babcock-1087 appear to represent the same person because: After going over the information in the profiles of the various Benjamin Babcocks and the petition of Sara (Babcock) Smith [Babcock-1584], I have come around to agreeing with Ray Babcock that Sarah's father, Benjamin really was alive in 1820. Sarah did not refer to him as the late -- only the clerk did on the second page. After several discussions with R Adams, we feel it is safe to merge (the temporary) Benjamin 4 back in with this Benjamin 1.

I have made extensive notes in the Research Notes, which should be carried over in the merge. Please let me know if I've missed anything or if any new information comes to light.

Alan [Boyce-3841]

posted by Alan Boyce
I've spent considerable time going over the information in this profile and in the petition of Sara (Babcock) Smith [Babcock-1584], and have come around to agreeing with Ray Babcock that Sarah's father, Benjamin really was alive in 1820. Sarah did not refer to him as "the late" -- only the clerk did on the second page. After several discussions with R Adams, we feel it is safe to merge (the temporary) Benjamin 4 back in with this Benjamin 1.

I have made extensive notes in the Research Notes, which should be carried over in the merge. Please review them thoroughly and let me know if I've missed anything or if any new information comes to light.

Thanks!

Alan

posted by Alan Boyce
edited by Alan Boyce
I have finished creating wikitree profiles for the other two Loyalist Benjamin Babcocks as described in Dawn Horstead's research which is based on close reading of land petitions and her important discovery that the early UEL list had conflated rwo loyalists: Benjamin1 (of this profile) with Benjamin 2 (new profile link below) .

This conflation has never been corrected and is repeated on many forums, including on this profile. The most significant part of the conflation is the attribution of Benjamin 2's children to Benjamin 1 as is seen on this profile as of March 2023. Please see Horstead's work and the new wikitree profile for Benjamin 2 for more details. I am going to amend or remove my contributions to this profile that further the conflation, but hope the manager will take the lead in shifting those children over to Benjamin 2 who belong with him. The supporting evidence (land petitions, etc) regarding these children is already loaded onto the Benjamin 2 profile.

https://uelac.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Three-Benjamin-Babcocks-by-Dawn-Horstead.pdf

Benjamin 1, died 1829, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Babcock-1087

Benjamin 2 , died about 1843, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Babcock-8726

Benjamin 3 died about 1779, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Babcock-8712

posted by R Adams
edited by R Adams
Must read research essay showing there were THREE Benjamin Babcock loyalists in the Revolutionary War, and sorting their primary records out:

Dawn Horstead's "Three Benjamin Babcocks" courtesy of uelac.... https://uelac.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Three-Benjamin-Babcocks-by-Dawn-Horstead.pdf

posted by R Adams
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posted by R Adams
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Hi R:

To (publicly) confirm my earlier note to you, please feel free to restore any information that I should not have deleted. As I said, my intention was only to make it easier to read, but it is entirely possible that I inadvertently deleted something important.

Thanks for your contributions to maintaining quality data.

Alan

posted by Alan Boyce
The profile is easier to read and he is the progenitor of a lot of Canadian Babcocks, so the details on him are really worth all the effort we all have invested.

I looked again for the detail I felt was missing and finally found the exact link from Dec. 24 2018. It's from the "Sorting out the Benjamin Babcocks" article on Ontario GenWeb. The profile at that time used "Lennox" as an anchor word for multiple references to that specific source and this one link probably dropped out during the edit. I don't know how to add back one reference to multiple references to one source, but I added a direct link to the source and some quoted text to the "Research notes" as it's own section to make it clear why we believe Job to be the name of Benjamin's father.

There is something interesting in this William Lewis UE swore in 1839 that he knew both Benjamin and his father Job Babcock. He's the same guy who swore in 1834 that he knew Benjamin from Childhood. Same guy that married Elizabeth Babcock, daughter of Samuel Babcock UE a probable brother to Benjamin. Maybe we can learn more about the Babcocks by researching William Lewis's life?

posted by R Adams
Actually, the evidence has been sitting right there at Job Babcock's profile all along, and as with most wikitree profiles, the source is there so one can evaluate for oneself whether one finds it convincing. Naturally, we might interpret the evidence differently and wish for multiple mutually corroborating records. To me the Will is acceptable evidence based on the alignment of the names Abigail, David, and Benjamin with a father named Job in Job's Will, and acceptable in light of me not finding a contradictory family group pattern when searching on each of the names of the four. I was looking for duplicates or any hint of two separate families, looking at Haverstraw/Orange county/Rockland County/Warwick, all over Rhode Island, and a bit around Massachusetts where the Badcock branch lived. I accept the Will as the best evidence to date and encourage anyone with an more evidence for any of them to bring that to the table.

I continue to be unconvinced that geography proves or disproves anything in this particular case. So many Rhode Island Babcock built boats and used boats for commerce, and so many privately owned boats were recorded as used on both sides of the Revolutionary War. The Sound and the Hudson were the highways of the time. Captain Job's Will shows Job's was an extremely wealthy family by Rhode island standards. Wealthy families who tended to be successful in some aspect of trade and to lean toward Loyalism, though not in all cases. I just do not see a 200 mile navigation as much of an obstacle for these people, and see Haverstraw as a place one might settle in for a while, but not want to stay at given the history of the place.

So the connection of Job to his children named Benjamin, David, and Abigail is from the Will of Job Babcock which names them all. Here's a link to it, though it is copied with on his profile:

https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/72144608?p=21415818&returnLabel=Captain%20Job%20Babcock%2C%20III%20III%20(GMF5-DGL)&returnUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.familysearch.org%2Ftree%2Fperson%2Fmemories%2FGMF5-DGL

Benjamin UE's father was Job according to a Land Petition. The siblings being born in Haverstraw appears unproven to me, but the William Lewis testimony indicates he grew up with Benjamin probably at Haverstraw or Warwick.

If anyone out there can find convincing source-based evidence that these children just do not belong to this Job, or that this Job's children were seen living their lives out elsewhere and did not to go to Canada, please post the evidence! (Job Oliver Babcock of Haverstraw is not the proper age to be their father, by the way.) There is an issue with the half brother Sherman and his mother Edith Sherman.... both probably belong with a different Job's family group, the one who migrated to Leyden, Mass..

About coding the relationships as uncertain, I will leave that up to the discretion of the people who have done the research on this profile and on Job's. It's not generally the type of change I would leap in to make based on an assertion about two geographical locations that seem somewhat easily accessible to one another, especially given that I think the Will is acceptable evidence. However they chose to code it is fine in my opinion and having a few more people review the sources for the family group can't hurt.

Still hope David, Abigail, and Benjamin's descendants will GEDmatch their DNA results and post them for what that is worth!

posted by R Adams
The parents seem to be in error. While Benjamin may have had a father named Job, and Job III Babcock did have sons named David and Benjamin, they lived nowhere near each other. Job 3rd and his wife lived and died in Rhode Island, yet this Benjamin with a father Job and brother David were from New York.

This seems to be an accidental merging of two unrelated people with the same names.

posted by Michael Carmichael
I replied at length on Job's profile regarding this geographical difference. Actually the distance is a only 200 miles or so by water between Haverstraw-up-the-Hudson and most of Rhode Island. Water would have been a common way to get up there from Rhode Island..... so while I think geography raises some questions, I do not think geography can be a definitive reason to discount this connection...not without other evidence to make a better case than the current interpretation of Captain Job Babcock 3rd's Will. The profile that got merged had no evidence posted, no sources, so it's hard to give that any weight unless somebody could come up with evidence to consider.

Benjamin is not yet represented in the Babcock Family Study at FTDNA which is a y-DNA study , but you can see some other Babcock/Badcocks are represented. Sherman Babcock is on there! https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Babcock?iframe=ycolorized Would be very nice if y-DNA results could be provided for Benjamin's line then compared to the other results.

I would like nothing better than to see additional evidence proving any aspect of this group's lives before they arrived in Canada. Would love to see birth record at Haverstraw, but cannot find that, nor Rhode Island Births. I cannot find alternative persons named Benjamins or David to plausibly be the sons named in Jobs Will. Cannot find a plausible different Job as their father, though it is not entirely impossible that the Will interpretation is incorrect. Not sure if the brothers just resided in Haverstraw, but were born elsewhere. Not sure what relation they are to possible cousin Job Oliver Babcock of Haverstraw.

Possibly this profile could code the birth location as "uncertain" if it is simply probable based on William Lewis testimony. That was the only reason I could see for listing the birth at Haverstraw (Lewis swore he grew up in Haverstraw knowing the brothers and he seems to be Benjamin's age more or less)

Very much appreciate the current reference notes and deep sources in this profile that allow me to sort through what actually is known. Hope to see more DNA results posted in Gedmatch form in time, or better yet Y-DNA results.

posted by R Adams
I am sorry, but there is no evidence for the parents of Babcock. None. And to demand evidence for a change without demanding evidence for the current state is illogical. The parents should at minimum be uncertain if not unknown.
posted by Michael Carmichael