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Unknown (Unknown) Birdsall (abt. 1622 - abt. 1716)

Unknown [uncertain] "Temperance" [uncertain] Birdsall formerly [surname unknown]
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married about 1645 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 94 in Oyster Bay, Nassau, New Yorkmap [uncertain]
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Disputed Origins

Sylvester Baldwin Jr., and Sarah Bryan were previously attached as parents of Temperance. According to the Aston Clinton Records, Bucks Co., England,, shown as mother to this profile, had 9 children. 6 of those children emigrated with their parents in 1638 aboard the ship "Martin". (See Baldwin-129 for complete source information).
Temperance Baldwin is not named as daughter of Sylvester and Sara (Bryan or Ryan) Baldwin. Sylvester died aboard the ship at sea, and his noncupative will was proved in Boston, Mass., approx. July 1638, in which Sarah (Bryan) Baldwin and her son Richard Baldwin (age approx. 16 years old) are named executors of Sylvester's Will. The will does not mention Temperance Baldwin, born 1622 in New Haven CT (per information contained in this profile).
There is data contained in Ancestry.com for a Temperance Baldwin born in 1622, Oyster Bay, Nassau County, Long Island, shown as daughter of Sylvester Baldwin and Sarah Bryan. Example: family data collection-Births, Edmund West comp.
Temperance also could not be the daughter of Richard Baldwin (Reynolds), as its well documented that his daughter Temperance married Nathan Burwell.

Biography

The wife of Nathan Birdsall is frequently referred to as Temperance Baldwin, but this is likely do to Nathan being confused with similarly named people. Currently, records documenting either her first or last name are sought.

Nathan Birdsall married about 1645, and his first son, Benjamin was born in Connecticut in 1646[1] -


Research notes

Torrey NE marriages entry: BIRDSALL, Nathan & [Temperance BALDWIN]; ca 1645?; E. Hampton, LI/Oyster Bay, LI {Holman Ms: Birdsall 3} - Unfortunately, the Birdsall/Holman Manuscript is unidentified See Key

Death: 15 JUN 1674, Newark, Essex/Union, New Jersey, United States [citation needed]

Sources

  1. Dae Powell, "Ancestral Glimpses", database, Genealogy Online (https://www.genealogieonline.nl/ancestral-glimpses/I19276.php : accessed February 13, 2021), "Temperance Baldwin (1622-1716)".




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Baldwin-3492 and Baldwin-1618 appear to represent the same person because: They are the same person
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Ellen Gustafson
Profile has been updated to Unknown LNAB. The attached discussion is related to the wife of Nathan Birdsall, and its useful to keep that with his family.
posted by M Cole
Is the consensus that we should remove her from PGM... that she did NOT migrate between 1620 & 1640?

Consensus: 1) removed her from PGM project. 2) not merge. see comment from M Cole.

Many thanks for all PGM contributers.

posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
edited by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
Agreed. And merge with Temperance Baldwin Burwell?
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Ellen Gustafson
Thanks Ellen,

Researchers here agree on merge? Someone please do it, if you agree. After I remove her from PGM, connection with PGM comments will be disabled.

posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
I don't think we should merge. This person was created as the wife of Nathan Birdsell. I think we should edit the profile to fit the facts of his wife, and mother of his children. If we merge, we just have to create a new profile.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by M Cole
I can work on this, she probably was born in Oyster Bay.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Ellen Gustafson
Scroll down on this page for an explanation of the myth that Temperance married Birdsall.

And it says she was born in 1651. https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/ancestral-glimpses/I19276.php

posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Ellen Gustafson
I think The Temperance baptized in 1651, is this one: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baldwin-3492

There's a good overview of the various Baldwin sources on the genealogieonline.nl page, but its a question of sorting out if any of it applies to the wife of Nathan Birdsell. It sounds like from some of the comments below that perhaps both her first name and last name come from a mistaken identity.

posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by M Cole
Yes, that’s her. Should we merge them?
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Ellen Gustafson
She didn't marry Nathan Birdsell, she married Nathan Burwell. Its a little confusing, but I think we should consider this profile "Wife of Nathan Birdsell" and and adjust her name from there. She could end up as Temperance Unknown, or even Unknown Unknown.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by M Cole
If we could find records for the children we might get at least a first name. Haven't had a luck on that yet.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Mike Dobson
Odd that Torrey has this entry:

Birdsall, Nathan& [Temperance BALDWIN] c. 1645? ; East Hampton, LI/Oyster Bay, LI

Unfortunately the Ancestry version and my printed version do not list the sources that the original printing had. The '[ ]" to me indicates uncertainly in her name.

posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Mike Dobson
That’s odd. From what I’ve found she married Nathaniel Burwell and she is Sylvester Baldwin’s granddaughter, so her LNAB was Baldwin.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Ellen Gustafson
Hey, something I can help with. The original handwritten Torrey with his sources is free at familysearch.org here https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/290345
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Brad Stauf
Source is a Mrs. Holman (??) Birdsall. I can't make out what he wrote in ( ) and it is repeated for all Birdsall entries. perhaps (nee) Birdsall?
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Mike Dobson
edited by Mike Dobson
If consensus is that she should be removed from PGM project, I'll go with that. Let me know if you want PGM co-management removed. Thanks.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
Hi Cheryl, she’s definitely not PGM, she was born about 1650, her father was a Richard Baldwin probably from Connecticut.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Ellen Gustafson
Seeing some serious questioning that this Temperance Baldwin married Nathan Birdsall on Long Island. Although crossing the LI Sound is not unheard of, it is quite a way to go for a marriage when family would have been critical for a young married woman. Also, the Milford Temperance Baldwin married a Nathan Burwell, which is well-documented.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Alycia Keating
I removed the attached parents and updated the comments. It seems that her parents are not currently known.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by M Cole
Neither she nor Nathan are found in Jacobus or any CT records. No mention of a marriage in Torrey. Can we even place her anywhere in New England? All children are listed as being born in Oyster Bay, New York so both arrival and marriage likely took place there. Is she even found in Anderson or another source to make her PGM eligible? If not perhaps we should clean up the profile, remove her from the Project and move on.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Mike Dobson
edited by Mike Dobson
Anderson only lists heads of families. Temperance Baldwin is not listed in GMD.

In NEHGS, checking PGM for Temperance yields only that a Temperance Baldwin is listed as a grandchild in the will of John Astwood. will dated Nov. 9, 1669.

You could try to review "The Baldwin Genealogy From 1500-1881" by Charles Candee Baldwin. It is listed as a source on most of the Baldwins listed in GMD.

posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
The Temperance of the Astwood will is the daughter of Richard. No other Temperences in either the 1881 Baldwin Genealogy or 1889 supplement could be this Temperance. I strongly believe Reynolds has it wrong on multiple counts. If continue with her, LNAB should either be uncertain or changed to Unknown with explanation in the text. Even if we remove from the PGM Project we should probably add a note about her last name to the profile.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Mike Dobson
edited by Mike Dobson
Mike, this Temperance was born about 1650, her father is a Richard Baldwin so please keep her last name. Thanks.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Ellen Gustafson
Is this Richard a different one than the son of Sylvester of Salem? If not, she already exists Temperance (Baldwin) Burwell and is not the wife of Nathan. If this is what you are referring to, she needs to be disconnected from Nathan and the children and merged.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Mike Dobson
Yes I do not believe from my own research that she married Nathan Birdsall - there may be another Temperance whom he married but there is really no mention of a marriage. I agree, the crossing is not unheard-of but folks generally stayed put in those days.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Alycia Keating
I cannot even find a reference beyond Reynolds that the wife of Nathan was named Temperance but I may have missed it. The Frost Genealogy has her completely unknown. If the information in Nathan's profile is partially correct, their oldest two children would have been born in New England before he migrated to New York but no records are found and Jacobus does not list any Birdsall/Birdsell families in New Haven, only Bird and Birdsey, Also no entries under Burchall in Jacobus. However he may have been there too short a time to have been included in Jacobus. There are entries in the New Haven Colony Records for a Nathan Burchall, two for a theft from Robert Newmans, one for an oath of fidelity and one for paying a fine and agreeing to military training. Anderson is not certain this refers to the son Nathan of Henry Birdsall of Salem, MA.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Mike Dobson
edited by Mike Dobson
Temperance Baldwin could not have been born in New Haven in 1622; the family of Sylvester Baldwin and wife Sarah Bryant/Bryan did not emigrate to N.E. until 1638, where Sylvester died during the voyage; and does not mention daughter Temperance in his will proved in Boston July 1638
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Katie Pyle
Baldwin-1618 and Baldwin-6380 are not ready to be merged because: Place of birth need to be resolved see noted on profiles
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Valerie (Worth) Noe
Baldwin-6380 and Baldwin-1618 appear to represent the same person because: Duplicate Profiles.
posted on Baldwin-1618 (merged) by Karen (Old) Panek

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