John Bate (1562 - 1633)

Born 1562 in England [uncertain]

Died 1633 at about age 71 in Wherwell, Hampshire, England

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Disputed identity/associations: Family files report varying information about men named John Bate, all somehow associated as close relations or ancestors of Rev. Stephen Bachiler's first wife. Her name has not been found recorded, but she is called Ann and believed closely related to Rev. John Bate who succeeded Bachiler as the Vicar of Wherwell in 1605.^[1] Vicar Bate had known wife Dorcas and children John Bate, Ann Bate (married Robert Southwood) and Gabriel Bate.^[2] No historical records closely associate any other men, John Bate, with the Rev. Bachiler. Following a series of G2G postings, the profile of John Bate (Bate 37) was re-identified as the man believe Rev. Bachiler's brother-in-law. See G2G for "Proposal to re-identify (or not) John Bate and wife Dorcas (16th century, England)."

Of note

• At one time, WikiTree profile John Bate and his wife, Dorcas Bate reportedly married 15 June 1579 at Lydd, Kent, England. They were associated as the grandparents of Vicar Bate and his sister, Ann (Bate) Bachiler. This marriage information was removed after it was shown to be that of another couple, John Bate and Mary Bennett (see G2G). Based on another G2G, "Seek to sever John Bate from parents," a parent-child relationship was severed.

• At one time John Bate (Bate-37) was reported son of Andrew Bate of Lydd, Kent, England, who himself was reported born there. WikiTree reported, however, that John was born elsewhere, at Hampshire, England, in 1520. There was an Andrew Bate of Lydd said to have had son John Bate, but this John Bate (aka John Bates was reported born at Lydd. The will of Andrew Bate is known; it did not mention a second son John. The link from John Bate-37 to parents Andrew Bate/Margaret was severed as per G2G discussion, "John Bates of Lydd surely did not have a brother John Bate of Wherwell (16th century)."

Biography

John /Bates/^[3][4]

Sources

1. ↑ Charles Batchelder, "Batchelder/Bachilder Genealogy, through Rev. Stephen Batchiler's son Stephen Bachilder," 1985, Carl W. Brage, ed., p. 2; digital images, Lane Memorial (Hampton, New Hampshire) Library (accessed 2014).
2. ↑ Charles Batchelder, "Batchelder/Bachilder Genealogy, through Rev. Stephen Batchiler's son Stephen Bachilder," 1985, Carl W. Brage, ed., p. 2; digital images, Lane Memorial (Hampton, New Hampshire) Library (accessed 2014).
3. ↑ Source: #S-2009482853 Page: Ancestry Family Trees Data: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=15949597&pid=359026973
4. ↑ Source: #S-2009482853 Page: Ancestry Family Trees Data: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=15949597&pid=359026985

See also

• "Wherwell," Wikipedia (accessed 2014). Citing "Richard Rowles, 2011, 'The Wherwell Village Website," http://www.wherwell.net/ (c) 2007," reports this location as a "village on the River Test in Hampshire, England."

• "Lydd," Wikipedia (accessed 2014). Reports this is a "town in Kent, England, lying on the Romney Marsh."

• Alfred C. Bates [and H. G. Somerby], “Lydd Parish Register,” _The Bates Bulletin_ Series 3/Volume 1 (1917):6-7. Editor provides a description as follows, “The following additions and Corrections to the Lydd Parish Register, as printed in the last issue, are sent in by our Vice President Albert C. Bates, of Hartford, Conn., who is the Secretary of the Connecticut Historical Society, from notes made in 1858 by Mr. H. G. Somerby of London, the well known English genealogist who made copies of the Bates records at Lydd for Dr. George Bates of Boston.” Click here to review this source material in context.

• Henry F. Waters, “Genealogical Gleanings in England,” _New England Historical and Genealogical Register_ 51 (1897):268-272; digital images, _Internet Archive_ (accessed 2014), including extracts and abstracts of wills about the Bate(s) family of Lydd, Kent, England; draws upon yet other genealogical information and incorporates genealogy including New England immigrant brothers, James Bate of Dorchester and Clement Bate of Hingham (as nos. 12 and 13, respectively)comments by Walter K. Watkins; genealogy said [emphasis added] “arranged from data obtained in England by the late Isaac C. Bates, Esq., and now in the collections of the N.-E. Hist. Gen. Society, supplemented by some late investigations of the writer” (“the writer” may be or is Walter K. Watkins). Lineage begins with John Bate of Lydd, will of 31 July 1522. Click here to review this source material in context.

• Charles Batchelder, "Batchelder/Bachilder Genealogy, through Rev. Stephen Batchiler's son Stephen Bachilder," 1985, Carl W. Brage, ed., p. 2; digital images, Lane Memorial (Hampton, New Hampshire) Library (accessed 2014).

• "Vicar (Anglicanism)," _Wikipedia_ (accessed 2014). Includes, "Vicar is the title given to certain parish priests in the Church of England. ... The title is very old and arises from the medieval situation where priests were appointed either by a secular lord, by a bishop or by a religious foundation." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_(Anglicanism)

• "Parish (Church of England)," _Wikipedia_ (accessed 2014). Section "Parish administration," includes subsection, including "Parish Clerk." Post-1548, the duties of this official are described as "an assistant to the churchwardens in collecting money for the benefit of the poor as well as continuing in some of his other functions. Parish clerks were appointed on the nomination of the parish priest and their tenure was regarded as a freehold." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish_(Church_of_England)#Parish_clerk

• Source: #S155; Ancestry Family Trees; http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=4478194&pid=-47277555

• Source: S-2009482853 Repository: #R-2009482618 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Repository: R-2009482618 Name: Ancestry.com Address: http://www.Ancestry.com. Note: Third parties report this source is linked to http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=15949597&pid=359026954

• Source S155; Ancestry Family Trees; Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Repository: #R1; Paranthetical: Y

• Source S148; U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900; Yates Publishing; Note: this unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Reference: 7836::0; Repository: #R1; Paranthetical: Y Repository R1; Ancestry.com. Note: Third parties report this links to http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=worldmarr_ga&h=75626&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt with Submitter Code: WVB; Reference: 7836::75626; reports a Marriage date: 1546. Another reports Source number: 868.000; Source type: Electronic Database; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: WVB; Reference: 7836::75626; http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=worldmarr_ga&h=75626&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt ; Text: Marriage date: 1546Marriage place

• Source: S-2009482853 Repository: #R-2009482618 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Repository: R-2009482618 Name: Ancestry.com Address: http://www.Ancestry.com

Acknowledgments

• A profile about this person was created through the import of Family Line.ged on 01 March 2011. The following data was included in the gedcom. You may wish to edit it for readability.

• WikiTree profile Bate-76 created through the import of Ancestors of PBHowe.ged on Jun 6, 2011 by Buck Howe. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Buck and others.

• WikiTree profile Bates-848 created through the import of Ancestors of PBHowe.ged on Jun 6, 2011 by Buck Howe. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Buck and others.