John Bates
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John Bates (abt. 1521 - bef. 1580)

John Bates aka Bate
Born about in Lydd, Kent, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married 28 Oct 1546 in Lydd, Kent, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 59 in Lydd, Kent, Englandmap
Profile last modified | Created 20 Mar 2013
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Biography

John Bates was the son of Andrew Bate.[1][2][3][4]

Marriage

He married, as his first wife, Mildred Ward (1526-1577) on Oct. 28, 1546.[5][4][3] She was buried June 2, 1577. He married, second, June 15, 1579, Mary Bennett.[3]

Issue:

  1. Mary (Bate) Tookey (bef.1550-)[3]
  2. James Bate Sr (1562-1614)[3]
  3. Thomas Bate (abt.1560-abt.1606)[3]
  4. Andrew Bate (1562-bef.1611)[3]

Death

He died in the year 1580.[2] His will dated 1 March 1579/80, proved May 13, 1580, gives to the poor men's box, and to the poor to be distributed on the day of his burial, gives to his three sons lands, tenements, cattle and goods, mentions his leased lands which he has let out, gives to his wife £20 money and household furnishings which he names and her rings and jewels. Mention is made of the loft over the shop, of the hall and the parlor, and of two tables, two bedsteds, a chair, a chest, a cupboard, a stupponet (sauce pan), two kettles, a small brass pan, two platters, two pewter dishes and two fruit dishes. His three sons are named as executors and John Hebblethwaite and William Crouche, jurat, overseers of the will. His estate inventoried £71.12s.4d.[1]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Bates, Albert Carlos, b. 1865. Ancestral Line for Eight Generations of Capt. Lemuel Bates, 1729-1820: With Some Records of His Descendants. Hartford, 1943. pg 10
  2. 2.0 2.1 American historical society (Incorporated), 1916. Encyclopedia of Massachusetts, biographical--genealogical. Vol. 6. pg 314
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 Waters, Henry F. (Henry Fitz-Gilbert), 1833-1913; New England Historic Genealogical Society. The New England historical and genealogical register. Number 51. Genealogical Gleanings in England. 1897. pgs 268-272
  4. 4.0 4.1 Bates, Thomas. Bates: An Ancient Family Name. AuthorHouse. 2015. Google Books
  5. Alfred C. Bates [and H. G. Somerby], “Lydd Parish Register.” The Bates Association. The Bates Bulletin. Series 3. Volume 1 (1917) pgs 6,7
  • Hamilton Andrews Hill, “Memoir of Isaac Chapman Bates,” _New England Historical and Genealogical Register_ 31 (1877): 141-145.
  • Samuel Cutler, “Necrology of the New-England Historic, Genealogical Society,” _New England Historical and Genealogical Register_ 33 (1879):256, for entry “Isaac Chapman Bates, died Saratoga Springs, N. Y., Sept. 21, 1875, aged 57.”
  • "Abstract of Wills of the Bate Family of Lydd," The Bates Association. The Bates Bulletin, Series 2, Volume IV, No. 2 (April 1916). [1]

See also:

  • Mrs. E. B. Grosvenor, “One Line of Bates Men,” [2][3][Hathi Trust. [4] Note: This author adds two generations atop the John Bate who had will dated and proved in 1522, so that the genealogy begins with a John (1) Bates, saying: “October 25 1415, was 'legendary soldier' at the battle of Agincourt. In Shakespeare’s _Henry V_, Act IV, Scene 1, John Bates says, ‘I do not desire that he (the king) should answer for me, yet I am determined to fight lustily for him.’ " use with caution




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John Bate was buried on 1 March 1579 (old style calander where the year change was at the end of March)

Under burials the register says John Bate Jurat of LIdd

Regards, Ann

posted by Ann Browning
edited by Ann Browning
Bates-12370 and Bates-3600 appear to represent the same person because: same birth and wife
posted by Robin Lee
Hi Robin,

Thank you for sharing your insight and for your kind words. As earlier, I don't have a stake in this LNAB, but in my little survey of the published record collections, his name appeared "Bate." Hoping only to be helpful, a couple of examples follow.

Marriage: "1546, Oct. 18, John Bate and Mildred Ward. (Submitted to _The Bates Bulletin_ by Alfred C. Bates) Click here

Will "of John Bate, jurat, proved 13 May, 1580." (From collection of Isaac C. Bates). Click here

P.S. I don't think of these early LNAB matters as right or wrong. We may learn even more about how the names appear in historical documents in the process of collaborating about the research.

posted by GeneJ X
My understanding was that this John's Grandfather was the one who had "Bate", and this one was with the "s". I have been wrong before! There are a couple of options for fixing this. There is the brother, John, listed - Gene, thanks for the question on that profile! If it turns out that these represent the same person, we can merge them. If not, we can just change the LNAB. Gene, I want to thank you for the beautiful biography work!
posted by Robin (Felch) Wedertz
I have no preference about the LNAB, but a series of early family historians who worked with the Lydd materials report the surname as "Bate."

See, for example, Albert Carlos Bates, "The final 's' does not appear on the family name in early English records, and even today families by the name of Bate are found in that country. The addition of a final 's' appears to be an American innovation, often making its first appearance with the second generation of the family born in this country, although the time of change is in nowise uniform."

Albert Carlos Bates, _Ancestral line for eight generations of Capt. Lemuel Bates, 1729-1820 ..._ 5-6 http://hdl.handle.net/2027/wu.89062854377?urlappend%3Bseq9

posted by GeneJ X

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