Remember, when reading this genealogy that Chesterfield County was made from Henrico County in 1749, so some reasearch says Chesterfield County and some Henrico.
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In 1736: HENRICO COUNTY: RICHARD BELCHER 1 LEVY. FOR YOUR LAST YEAR'S LEVY. PD BY JOHN BELCHER SR. [1]
1736: PAID BY INSPECTORS NOTE; BY JOHN BELCHER JR FOR RICHARD BELCHER. [2]
John Belcher jr. 1736 1 levy clk's fees, store debt. :To register your son Thos" an item cancelled. "to your ord'r to Rd Belcher", Pd by an inspectors note. One the Credit side this notation."the ord'r to R Belcher is pd by John Belcher Sen'r"
Another mention of James Baily on this same page: 1736 Henrico Couinty, store debt. Mr Cary's debt. A bond due. paid by John Pride jr and John Worhsam: [3]
2-26- 1753 RICHARD BELCHER SOLD TO WILLIAM THOMPSON 100 ACRES OF LAND...FOR L20, 2 TRACTS, ONE-PLANTATION I LIVE ON, 100 ACRES; AND OTHER PLANTATION WHERE WILLIAM TANNER LATELY LIVED. WITNESSED BY JOHN NUNNALLY, MITCHELL CLAY AND JOHN WARD. RECORDED 5-4-1753. 1749 RICHARD BELCHER WAS MENTIONED IN HENRY CLAYS WILL. 1754 RICHARD BELCHER SOLD TO PETER BLANKENSHIP AMELIA CO 100 ACRES BOUNDED BY SKINQUARTER, WILLIAM GATES, HORSEPEN BRANCH AND BELCHERS OLD LINE. BELCHER LINE WAS NEAR CHESTERFIELD AND AMELIA CO LINE. BOTH COUNTIES ARE SOMETIMES USED AS THE BELCHERS RESIDENCE....SS OF SKINQUARTER ROAD 375 ACRES OF LAND GRANTED TO RICHARD BELCHER IN 1767 ISHAM ,SON, SOLD LAND OF RICHARD BELCHER DECEASED. WILLIAM CLAY EXECUTOR ,INVENTORY OF RICHARD BELCHER 7-16-1763 AUG 1763 WILLIAM CLAY IS GRANTED ADMIN OF ESTATE OF RICHARD(DECEASED) 1759==JAMES BAILY JR BOUGHT LAND 75 ACRES FROM PETER DANIEL: THIS LAND IS DESCRIBED"ADJOINING JOHN SKELTONS LAND ON THE S SIDE OF SKIN QUARTER ROAD" THIS LAND WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF A PATENT OF 375 ACRES GRANTED TO RICHARD BELCHER IN 1754 AND WAS THE FIRST PIECE OF LAND OWNED BY THE BAILEY FAMILY" THE STORY OF RICHARD BAILY: JOURNEY TO THE MOUNTAINS "P168-190 MANY DESCENDENTS OF THE BAILY FAMILY CARRY THE BELCHER LINE 1753 RICHARD BELCHER OF CHESTERFIELD TO WILLIAM THOMPSON 100 ACRES RECORDED 25 FEB 1753 PAGE 22 P 275 CHESTERFIELD CO DEEDS 1758,SON ISHAM BUYS 100 ACRES ON DEEP CREEK FROM THOMPSON "PART OF LAND RICHARD NOW LIVES ON"> 24 FEB 1764 RICHARD JUNIOR BELCHER AND ISHAM SELL LAND ON DEEP CREEK TO THOMAS MOORE
CHILDREN 4: 1. <0L> 1...ISHAM E BELCHER BORN CA 1732, HENRICO (NOW CHESTERFIELD CO.,) VIRGINIA MARRIED:ELIZABETH CLAY MIGRATED FROM CHESTERFIELD CO VIR TO BEDFORD COUNTY (NOW FRANKLIN C0) 3-1765 ISHAM BELCHER SOLD THE LAND OF RICHARD BELCHER DECEASED Married:#1 2 June 1759 Elizabeth Clay B: 1740 dau of William CLay and Martha Runyan
1728 Richard Belcher was witness to a land transaction between Benjamin Hopkins to Thomas Oliver.
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https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/collaborate/LVJF-N51 book 4 page 162 Chesterfiled co va will of John 23 jul 1776 to wife (not named) dau Mary, son Edmond, dau Mell Puckett, son Francis, Thomas, and daus Elizabeth and Jane/ will of John proven 1788 extrex Mary Belcher. 24 Feb 1762 edmund Belcher of Lunnenburg Co Va sells to Mark Puckett 194 acres bounded by Thomas Puchett, Thomas Belcher and John Belcher of Deep Creek.
I believe one person is just plain “John Belcher” (no Richard as middle name as middle names were apparently rare in that day and the other is “Richard Belcher (no Dick as middle name but “Dick” is a common nickname for Richard). I believe they were both sons of John Belcher, Sr.
Per Wikitree, John Belcher Sr. married Mary (Frogley) Belcher November 7, 1710. Children of John are listed as James b. 1694, Robert b. 1700 and William b. 1705. Both John and Richard are estimated to have been born about 1710. If this information is correct, then John Belcher Sr. must have had another wife prior to Mary (Frogley) Belcher. I believe John was probably born around 1700 making him the son of the first wife. Richard may have been the son of the first wife or of Mary (Frogley) Belcher since he was born about + or - 1710.
To add to the confusion, both John Belcher Jr. and Richard Belcher married a spouse named Mary, thus two Mary Belchers. As Bartley McRorie has commented, John Belcher Jr.’s wife is listed several places online as being Mary Gooding (1695-1780) and married about 1720 (that is the reason I believe John was born about 1700 and is older than Richard). Richard married Mary Clay about 1732. (https://holleymc.tripod.com/fam00086.htm has the following information: Mary Gooding and John Belcher married 1720, Mary Gooding’s birthdate given as 1695, died 1780. John Belcher birthdate given as 1698)
That brings us to the issue of children. Between Wikitree.com, ancestry.com, and familysearch.org, there are at least 25 children attributed to Mary Clay (if that is true Mary deserves a memorial!). I believe part of those children were actually Mary Gooding’s children and others perhaps wishful thinking on the part of some “researchers”.
I found the following online and seems to match well with the will quoted above for John Belcher.
https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/146088/I218131/mary-gooding/individual Family (of Mary Gooding) Marriage: Married: John Belcher on Abt 1720 at Virginia. John Belcher: Birth: Abt 1698 in Henrico County, Virginia. Death: 23 Jul 1776 in Manchester Parish, Chesterfield County, Virginia Children: Thomas Belcher: Birth: 28 Jun 1722 in Prince George County, Virginia. Death: Abt 1761 Edmund Belcher: Birth: Abt 1725 in Virginia. Death: Abt 1782 in Charlotte County, Virginia Jane Belcher: Birth: Abt 1729 in Virginia. Death: in Y Mary Belcher: Birth: Abt 1731. Death: in Y Francis Belcher: Birth: Abt 1733 in Henrico County, Virginia. Death: Bef 27 Jun 1782 in Amelia County, Virginia Melvina Belcher: Birth: Abt 1735. Death: in Y Elizabeth Belcher: Birth: Abt 1737. Death: in Y
John Belcher’s death is listed as July 23, 1776. However it appears to me July 13 is the date the will was written but which was not proved until 1788 suggesting he died much closer to 1788. Richard Belcher on the other hand died in 1763—-“WILLIAM CLAY EXECUTOR ,INVENTORY OF RICHARD BELCHER 7-16-1763 AUG 1763 WILLIAM CLAY IS GRANTED ADMIN OF ESTATE OF RICHARD(DECEASED)”
Now in regards to Richard Belcher’s children with Mary Clay Belcher. Richard Belcher and Mary Clay are said to have married about 1732 which sounds right based on their estimated birthdates of about 1710 (or maybe the determination was made the other way around). Anyway, Isham Edwin Belcher and Richard Jr. clearly are Richard’s children and the other listed children born after 1732 very well could be too.
That brings us to another issue—when was Mary Clay married to Thomas Watkins? One source says Richard Belcher married the widow Mary Clay Watkins. However she must not have been married very long to Thomas Watkins if she was married to Richard Belcher at age 22. And online sources give Thomas’s death as 1781. So then we conclude she must have married Thomas Watkins after Richard Belcher died—so sometime after 1763. However her children with the last name Watkins (Mary Curd and John Watkins) appear to have been born in the late 1740s or early 1750s. Did she divorce Richard Belcher? Was the Mary Clay that Richard Belcher married ever a Watkins?
One potential “flaw” that I have found with the above is with John’s will which lists his children. Melvina’s married name (Puckett) is given. However daughter Mary who is believed to have married James Dillon about 1749 is not listed by her married name even though she should have been married by 1776 when the will was written.
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I proposed this a year or two ago and was told they are most likely brothers but I only had 1 or 2 people reply about trying to figure out if they were and if so did they marry the same woman...there are also 2 Richard Belcher's born about the same time here in NC but one went to IN or IL and the other did not. The profiles became so conflate (?)between the various online sites I don't think anyone honestly knew they could separate each detail. I think the conversation is more detailed on the other profile but I am open to anyone with information. Thanks! Becky
I removed the following source because it is for a Richard D. Belcher not the John Richard Belcher:
So I combined them into one concise citation:
I was adding a resource and fixing the indented paragraphs with the ": " punctuation and thought it helpful. I decided to note it here in case it is unwanted and it could easily be copied and pasted back in the original, longer format. Cheers! Becky Elizabeth
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Cheers! Becky
By the way it began when the other profile looked completely different than it does now. Perhaps reading my comment and looking at the changes made to the other profiles, now three or four on here from the same GED.com upload would help understand my question. I would appreciate a personal message instead of using my name to "exemplify" erroneous behaviour just because I pointed out some inconsistencies and asked a question felt more personal than seeking information for the greater good of what I guess is our shared great grandfather. I had no intention to offend anyone's work and would never intentionally do so. I found two separate brothers by referencing the familysearch page but again it didn't help when the two different pages have copied and pasted or one wrote and the other copied the exact same words for part or all of a written bio- this causes confusion too.
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Another thing to note is the the brand new profile-4242 doesn't list but one spouse and child where as -280 lists the couple had at least 24 children?!?! I have 6 or 7 documented pretty well- but BEFORE dismissing this PLEASE Look at removing connections and sources if not merging because the same findagrave can't work for both men nor can the same wife without explanation; just repeating notes I've seen on profiles. Also the mother now has two profiles and so do several children like Ishom and Phoebe. Okay hopefully this is enough verbiage to start a helpful, insightful conversation where we can all pull and learn more about our relatives!
- One profile uses the location Chesterfield County vs the Henrico County here but in 1749 Chesterfield was created from Henrico County.
Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume Iii, Henrico County - Southside, 1736, Page 367 1736: Paid By Inspectors Note; By John Belcher Jr For Richard Belcher. Source: Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume Iii, Henrico County - Southside, 1736, Page 379 William Thompson 100 Acres Recorded 25 Feb 1753 Page 22 P 275
"In 1836, Richard Belshar paid levy and clerk fees to the promise for Richard Belshar, the balance of 338 pounds of tobacco."
"On February 26, 1753, Richard Belcher sold to William Thompson, 100 acres of land for 20 pounds., sterling, 2 tracts, one plantation I live on, 100 acres; and another plantation where Wiliam Tanner lately lived. Witnessed by John Nunnally, Michael Clay, and John Ward. Recorded on April 5, 1753."
"In 1749, Richrd Belcher was mentined in Henry Clay's will."
"In 1754, Richrd Belcher sold to Peter Blankenship, Amelia County 100 acres bounded by Sinquarter, William Gates, Horsepen Branch and Belcher's old line. The Belcher Line was near the Chesterfield and Amelia County Lines. Both counties are sometimes used as the Belcher's residence....South of Skinquarter Road, 375 acres of land was granted to Richard Belcher in 1754."
"In 1767 Isham Belcher, son of Richard Belecher, sold the land of Richard Belcher, deceased. "William Clay, Executor." Inventory of Richard Belcher July 16, 1763."
"In 1759, James Bailey, Jr. bought 75 acres of land from Peter Daniel. This land is described as adjoining John Skelton's land on the South side of Skinquarter Road. This land was originally part of a patent of 375 acres granted to Richard Belcher in 1754 and was the first piece of land owned by the Bailey Family. "The Story of Richard Bailey: Journey to the Mountains", page 168-190. Many descendants of the Bailey family carry the Belcher Line."
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which has additional information that will add to your family tree! To review, just scroll down to the bottom of the profile screen and compare the two. If the two profiles are the same person, select MERGE. Any conflicting information should be copied and placed in the biography section of the profile which should also be edited after the merge, and keep in mind, the other managers are probably related to you too! Thanks so much, glad I could help out with your research! Betty (Wikitree Arborist)