Anna was born in 1708. Anna Painter ... She passed away in 1773. [1]
Johan "Hans" Adam Rader married the sister of Alexander Painter (Bender), Anna Barbara Painter (Bender) & Alexander Painter married Adam Rader Sister, Anna Maria Margareth Roder (Roeder)(Rader)
↑ Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/118720616/barbara-anna-rader : accessed 01 July 2022), memorial page for Barbara Anna Bender Rader (15 Nov 1708–1773), Find a Grave Memorial ID 118720616, citing Fort Run Home Plantation Cemetery, Timberville, Rockingham County, Virginia, USA ; Maintained by The Pathfinder (contributor 48133744).
Germany, Select Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898 Author: Ancestry.com Publication: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc. APID: 1,9866::0
U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970 Author: Ancestry.com Publication: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc. APID: 1,2204::0
Virginia, Find A Grave Index, 1607-2012. Ancestry.com Publication: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc. APID: 1,70635::0
U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current Author: Ancestry.com Publication: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc. APID: 1,60525::0
Pennsylvania and New Jersey, Church and Town Records, 1669-2013
Acknowledgments
Thank you to Samuel Rader for creating Painter-557 on 29 Oct 13. Click the Changes tab for the details on contributions by Samuel and others.
This person was created on 14 September 2010 through the import of 124-DeCoursey.ged.
This person was created through the import of Weaver.ged on 03 January 2011.
Bender-1112 was created by Beryl Jacobs through the import of Veneziano Family Tree.ged on Apr 10, 2015.
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It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Anna by comparing test results with other carriers of her mitochondrial DNA.
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What an educational evening! Thanks for asking that question, Ellen. All the templates I created from the APID s worked. (I left them in case anyone wants to tidy up some more.
Very nice work, Kie. After seeing your successes, I think that some of the error messages I received from Ancestry were due to my bad typing (or more specifically, my keyboard-interaction errors like failing to remove a colon from an APID).
I tidied the citations up a little, but I left them here for now to demonstrate how the APIDs work.
To my mind, the main reason for preserving deficient Ancestry links (whether URLs or APIDs) is to figure out what the previous contributors to the profile were looking at, so that better citations can be provided or corrections can be made -- and we can get rid of the ugly citation formats.
Now that we can see the sources, the sourcing on this profile turns out to be very, very weak. There's a German baptism record (which I can't see because I don't have a World subscription to Ancestry at the moment), but the profile and Findagrave show several different birth locations (which is supported by the source?). There's a lovely Findagrave memorial that has no gravestone inscription but gives a death date, and there's a SAR application (not a particularly reliable source) that gives the death date for Anna [Unknown] Rader, wife of Adam. And last, but not least, there's a beautiful image of an original document that was uploaded to Findagrave, but is not identified as to its origin. Much opportunity for research!
Contributors to this profile have carefully preserved the APID numbers in the Ancestry.com source citations. I am not aware of any way to use those numbers to locate the cited items on Ancestry or any other website. Do some of the rest of you know of a trick that makes those numbers meaningful?
I don't, and I see them often after a GEDCOM. I did wonder about doing a bit of clean up here, but hopefully after talking to the profile manager. I can't send private mail here from my tablet for some reason.
Well, I have also had a practice of discarding APIDs, but they had been so carefully preserved on this profile that I thought that the family either knew a trick for using them or had been given false information about their value. I tried converting some of the links on this page, using External Link Templates for Ancestry (both Ancestry Record and Ancestry Image), along with the advice in that G2G thread. Ancestry showed me a variety of error messages, until it resolved the template to https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1013098:2204 -- an actual link to the Sons of the American Revolution application record image that mentions Anna Rader!
I guess you get the "Patience" award for the day at least! Now I will have to try it. Ancestry actually resolved the link on its own?? How long did you have to work on it?
I think the hardest parts of this are (1) figuring out which Ancestry Link template a particular citation should use and (2) successfully doing the precision typing (or copy-pasting) needed to put strings of meaningless numbers into the template box.
That URL is what Ancestry generated when I used the Ancestry Record template to convert "APID: 1,2204::1013098" into {Ancestry Record|2204|1013098} (except with double brackets). That template displays on the page as Ancestry Record 2204 #1013098.
Unfortunately, I am not surprised to learn that the linked SAR application does not have citation support for the one fact it is cited for here, which is her name of Anna Barbara Bender. The one fact it supports is the 1773 death date of Anna [Unknown] Rader, wife of Adam.
One of the main reasons for trying to resolve mysterious Ancestry links is so we can figure out what information the profile was based on and whether any of it is any good, so that discovery is actually helpful.
I would never discard the APID unless the same source is available and cited from somewhere else (like FamilySearch). Although you need an Ancestry account to see the linked image (if there is one), anyone can view the Ancestry record, as well as get details about the source by clicking on the source name on the Ancestry record page.
I personally prefer a more complete citation within the reference itself in addition to the Ancestry record link, but just the link (assuming it has the right numbers) is enough to verify the source.
I tidied the citations up a little, but I left them here for now to demonstrate how the APIDs work.
To my mind, the main reason for preserving deficient Ancestry links (whether URLs or APIDs) is to figure out what the previous contributors to the profile were looking at, so that better citations can be provided or corrections can be made -- and we can get rid of the ugly citation formats.
Now that we can see the sources, the sourcing on this profile turns out to be very, very weak. There's a German baptism record (which I can't see because I don't have a World subscription to Ancestry at the moment), but the profile and Findagrave show several different birth locations (which is supported by the source?). There's a lovely Findagrave memorial that has no gravestone inscription but gives a death date, and there's a SAR application (not a particularly reliable source) that gives the death date for Anna [Unknown] Rader, wife of Adam. And last, but not least, there's a beautiful image of an original document that was uploaded to Findagrave, but is not identified as to its origin. Much opportunity for research!
"_APID 1,2442::61689967 can be transformed to Ancestry Record 2442 #61689967"
So...now we can all be confused.
I try to use an Ancestry Share link since those without a subscription can view the source, but not all Ancestry sources have Share links.
That URL is what Ancestry generated when I used the Ancestry Record template to convert "APID: 1,2204::1013098" into {Ancestry Record|2204|1013098} (except with double brackets). That template displays on the page as Ancestry Record 2204 #1013098.
Trying it here: Ancestry Record 2204 #1013098
edited by Ellen Smith
One of the main reasons for trying to resolve mysterious Ancestry links is so we can figure out what information the profile was based on and whether any of it is any good, so that discovery is actually helpful.
edited by Ellen Smith
I personally prefer a more complete citation within the reference itself in addition to the Ancestry record link, but just the link (assuming it has the right numbers) is enough to verify the source.
In this case, it seems counter intuitive to use the APID or to convert to an Ancestry templates for such easily cited sources as Find A Grave.
edited by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
Maybe over Zoom?