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Francis Billington (abt. 1606 - 1684)

Francis Billington
Born about in Spalding, Lincolnshire, Englandmap [uncertain]
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Husband of — married Jul 1634 in Plymouth, Plymouth Colonymap
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Died at about age 78 in Middleborough, Plymouth Colonymap
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Biography

Francis Billington was about 14 years old when he arrived in Plymouth on the Mayflower; he was the youngest son of the notorious Mayflower passenger John Billington -- one of the Strangers, one of the rebels aboard the Mayflower, and the first Englishman hanged for murder in the colonies -- and his wife Elinor.
The Billington family -- including young Francis -- were troublemakers in early Plymouth Colony. Before even disembarking from the Mayflower, Bradford tells us of an incident where one of the sons (almost certainly Francis, since Bradford erroneously gives "Francis Billington" as the father's name, rather than "John" ) nearly destroyed the ship:
"We, through God's mercy, escaped a great danger by the foolishness of a boy, one of Francis [sic] Billington’s sons, who, in his father's absence, had got gunpowder, and had shot off a piece or two, and made squibs but there being a fowling-piece charged in his father's cabin, shot her off in the cabin; there being a little barrel of [gun] powder half full, scattered in and about the cabin, the fire being within four foot of the bed between the decks, and many flints and iron things about the cabin, and many people about the fire; and yet, by God's mercy, no harm done." [1]
A month later, Francis Billington climbed a tall tree and claimed to have found a “great sea.” It was, in fact, a lake which still has the name of the “Billington Sea.”
"This day Francis Billington, having the week before seen from the top of a tree on a high hill a great sea, as he thought, went with one of the master's mates to see it. They went three miles and then came to a great water, divided into two great lakes; the bigger of them five or six miles in circuit, and in it an isle of a cable length square; the other three miles in compass, in their estimation. They are fine fresh water, full of fish and fowl. A brook issues from it; it will be an excellent place for us in time. They found seven or eight Indian houses, but not lately inhabited. When they saw the houses, they were in some fear; for they were but two persons and one piece." [2]
Not to be outdone in May 1621 his older brother John Billington wandered off and got lost in the wood for a week but
"ye Gover caused him to be enquired for among ye Indeans, and at length Massassoyt sent word wher he was, and ye Gover sent a shalop for him, & had him delivered."[3]"
Francis Billington settled down and married Christian Penn, widow of Mayflower passenger, Francis Eaton.
Francis Billington and Christian had nine children who were all born in Plymouth. The five oldest children were bound out at young ages by court order.
  • Josheph was bound to John Cook
  • Benjamin was bound to John Winslow
  • Martha was bound to Gyles Ricket
  • Mary was bound to Gabriel Fallow and would have only been three years old at the time she were bound out on 5 Jan 1640/1

On 14 Jan 1642 there was a town meeting to decide who the children would go to

At a town meeting holding at Plym the xiiii th Day of January in the xvii year of his mate now Raigne 1642

"Concerning the placing and disposing of ffrances Billingtons children according to the Act and older of the Court,

"It is ordered and agreed to that John Cook the younger shall have Josheph until hee shallbe of the age of Twenty and one year (being now about vi or vii years old) and find him meat drink and apperall during said terme.

"It is ordered that Benjamin Eaton his eldest Boy shallbe with John Winslow upon these conditions until he shall accomplish the age of xxi years beeing about xv years in March next and is to find him meat drink and apperall during said terme and pay ten pounds for his service or xxxiiis iiiid yearely pvided that if he dye before thend of said terme that then the said John Winslow shall Paypportionally to the tyme he lives and no more and the Payments to be made in Countrey pvided that if any man els will take him upon these condicons he may with the approbation of the Governor and Mr. Prence.

"It is ordered and agreed also that Gyles Rickett shall take another of his children a gerle about five years of age and shall shall keepe her and find her meat drink and apparell until she shall accomplish the age of twenty years so she marrie with the consent of the magistrart And shall have xxxs in hand with her towards the apparelling of her payd him wthin a month after she comes to him.

"It is ordered and ageed likewise That Gabriel ffallowell shall have another of his children a gerle about Years of age and have her until she accomplish the age of Twenty yeares or be marryed (first happening) so that she marry with concent of the Magisttart then being and shall fynd her meate and drinke and apparell during the said term. And shall have will her xxx s. payd him within one month after she is come to him towards the apparelling of her and shall also have xxxiiis. iiii d for the first three years next after the takeing of her to be payd out of thti weh John Winslow is to pay yearely for Benjamin [4]

* Elizabeth was bound to "John Barnes and Mary, his wyfe" on 18 April 1642 [5].

Even this caused the Billingtons legal troubles, because their children kept running away from their bond placements. Francis and Christian were both warned they would be put in the stocks every meeting day if their children did not remain with their masters.
Francis and Christian later moved to Middleborough, where they both died in 1684.

Birth

Born: Francis Billington, son of John and Elenor Billington, was born about 1606, most likely in the area around Cowbit and Spaulding, in Lincolnshire, England.
Francis Billington deposed on 10 July 1674 that he was 68 years of age.[6][7] That the Billington family originated in Lincolnshire, England comes from the fact that Francis Billington was named on a "three-life lease" granted to Francis Longland in 1612.[8][9] Francis Billington named in the lease was later said to be living in New England proving the document refers to the Mayflower passenger. Francis Billington was almost certainly a nephew of Francis Longland, though the family connections have not been proven. See his father's page for a more complete discussion.

Marriage and Children

Married: Francis married Christian Penn, widow of Mayflower passenger Francis Eaton in July 1634, in Plymouth, Plymouth Colony.[10] Together they had 9 children.
Children of Francis Billington and Christian Penn:[11]
  1. Elizabeth Billington. Born on 10 July 1635 in Plymouth.[12][13] She married three times, first to Richard Bullock by whom she had 4 children, second to Robert Beere and had 1 son, and finally to Thomas Patey. Elizabeth died after 1 August 1707 when she and her sisters signed a deed.[14][15]
  2. Joseph Billington. Born about 1636/7 presumably in Plymouth (ae 6 or 7 in Jan 1642/3 when he was bound out). He married Grace Unknown and had 3 children. Joseph died after 7 January 1685 when he leased land.
  3. Martha Billington. Born about 1638 presumably in Plymouth (ae 5 in 14 Jan 1642/3 when bound out). She married twice to Samuel Eaton and Robert Crossman. Martha died between 9 June 1704 and 2 March 1722/3.
  4. Mary Billington. Born about 1640 presumably in Plymouth.(under 5 in Jan 1642/3 when she was bound out.) She married Samuel Sabin and had 6 children. Mary died after 28 June 1717 presumably in Rehoboth, Massachusetts.
  5. Isaac Billington. Born about 1644 presumably in Plymouth (age 65 in 1709). He married Hannah Glass and had 6 children. Isaac died 11 December 1709 in Middleboro.
  6. Rebecca Billington. Born on 8 June 1647 in Plymouth.[16] No further records and she presumably died young.
  7. Dorcas Billington. Born about 1650 presumably in Plymouth. She married Edward May and had 4 children. Dorcas died after 1 August 1707 when she signed a deed with her sisters.
  8. Mercy Billington. Born on 25 February 1651/2 in Plymouth.[17] She married John Martin and had 4 children. Mercy died on 28 September 1718 at Rehoboth.
  9. A ninth unnamed child died young.[18] See research notes.

Death

Died: Francis died December 3, 1684, in Middleborough, Plymouth Colony.[19][20]

Timeline and Records

Below are listed most, but not all, of the dealings Francis had with the authorities of Plymouth during his life, recorded in the Records of the Colony of New Plymouth of New England.
  • 20 Mar 1637: Francis inherited all of his father's and mother's properties from his widowed mother.[21]
  • 7 Jul 1637: The Names of the Souldiers that willingly offer themselues to goe vpon the sd Service, wth Mr Prince & the Leiftent.[22]
  • 4 Dec 1638: Fined for Drinking tobaccoe in the heighway... xijd.[23]
  • 2 Jan 1640: It is ordered by this Court, that Francis Billington & Christian, his wyfe, shall giue Jonathan Brewster & Louc Brewster possession of her thirds the lands bought of them; & then Jonathan Brewster to pay him in corne the remaynder, which is xxxviijs vjd.[24]
  • 18 Apr 1642: Memorand, the xviijth day of Aprill, 1642 : that Francis Billington and Christian, his wyfe, haue put Elizabeth, their daughter, apprentis to John Barnes and Mary, his wyfe, to dwell wth them and to do their service vntill shee shall accomplish the age of twenty yeares, (shee being now seaven years of age the xth of July next,) the said John Barnes & Mary, his wyfe, finding her meate, drink, & cloathes dui'ing the said terme.[25]
  • 4 Jul 1643: WHEREAS Joseph, the sonn of Francis Billington, according to the order of the Court, was by the towne of Plymouth placed with John Cooke the yonger, and hath since beene enveagled, and did oft depte his said masters service, the Court, vpon longe heareing of all that can be said or alleadged by his pcnt^, doth order and appoynt that the said Joseph shalbe returned to his said master againe immediately, and shall so remaine with him dui-ing his terme ; and that if either the said Francis, or Chiistian, his wyfe, do receiue him, if he shall againe dept from his said master without his lycence, that the said Francis, and Christian, his wyfe, shalbe sett in the stocks euery lectm-e day diu-ing the tyme thereof, as often as he or shee shall so receiue him, vntill the Court shall take a further coiu'se w"^ them ; and also, that if Benjamin Eaton, now liueing with the said Francis Billington, shall counsell, entice, or enveagle the said Joseph from his said master, that then he shall haue the same punishment with his father and mother.[26]
  • 3 Feb 1656: Concerninge the controversye betwixt Francis Billington and Edward Gray about two iron wedges.[27]
  • 1657: Swears Oath of Fidelity as a Freeman to Plymouth.[28]
  • 23 July 1661: Served on a jury to enquire into the death of John Bond of Plymouth.[29]
  • 3 June 1662: Received a grant of land as one of he first born children Plymouth.[30]
  • 31 Oct 1666: Mentioned in reference unto the complaint of Elizabeth, the wife of Gorge Vaughan. Francis Billington att the same time, whoe was sent for to rescue the said weomen from liis violence and wickedness. Against an Indian called Sampson, allias Bump, for most insolent and intollorable carriages towards them.[31]

Research Notes

  • Ninth Child: Francis Billington is usually said to have had nine children though only eight can be clearly documented in the records. This comes from the fact the William Bradford writing in early 1651 wrote that Francis was living and that he had eight children.[32][33] It follows then that the child born on 25 February 1652 was the ninth.

  • Son Francis? In 1719, a Francis Billington in a deed named his "father Francis", and his honored grandfather (Francis Billington).[34] This implies that Francis Billington of the Mayflower had a son Francis. If so, this Francis Billington, the son, occurs in no Plymouth Vital Records, no Plymouth Colony Records, no probate records, no court records, and no records of Middleboro. There are also no records where a Francis Billington was ever called Sr or Jr as you might expect if there were a father and son both named Francis. A 1722 court case stated that the land of Francis Billington was split among 7 children (all named) leaving no room for a son Francis.[35] It may be that the deed of 1719 is a clerical error and that Francis Billington of the deed was the son of either Isaac or Joseph.
  • Petition of Isaac Billington: In 1704, Isaac Billington petitioned the court to have his father's land settled on him as recompense for having taken care of his father.[36] He states that his father had become impoverished following the Indian wars and had begged him to move to Middleborough. He did this, uprooting his family from a comfortable life in Marshfield, and cared for his parents in sickness and health for 7 years until their death.
  • Daughters Deed: On 1 August 1707, the daughters of Francis Billington all gave up their rights to land in Middleboro; from this we learn and confirm their married names and where they were living.[37] Elizabeth Patte of Providence, Rhode Island, Mary Sabin of Rehoboth, Dorkos May of Plymouth, and Mercy Martin of Rehoboth all surrendered their rights to their father's land in Middleboro to Desire Billington, the daughter of their brother Isaac Billington.
  • Land Division: A court case in 1722 brought by his granddaughter Desire Bonney gives some insight to the family of Francis Billington.[38] It states that at his death he left 2 sons and 5 daughters, namely sons Joseph and Isaac, and daughters Elizabeth, Mary, Dorcas, Mercy and Martha. Note that this also leaves no room for a son Francis.

Sources

Footnotes and citations:
  1. Cheever. Mourt's Relation. (1848): page 27.
  2. Cheever. Mourt's Relation. (1848): page 36.
  3. Bradford: History of Plymouth. pp 102,103
  4. Records of the town of Plymouth. Vol 1 1637-1705. (Plymouth : Avery & Doten, 1889) p. 12
  5. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth of New England. Printed by order of the legislature of the commonwealth of Massachusetts. Court orders Vol 1 https://archive.org/details/recordsofcolonyo0102newp/page/38/mode/1up
  6. "Massachusetts Land Records, 1620-1986," Plymouth Colony Deeds 1664-1711, vol. 1. FamilySearch.org online database. Page 81, image 53 of 652. Image of original document.
  7. The Mayflower Descendant, vol. 2 (1900): page 46. Plymouth Colony Depositions.
  8. The term of a three-life lease lasted until all three of the named lessees died. Typically, the primary lease holder would name two of his children or other young relatives with the hope that the lease would remain in effect for many years.
  9. NEHGR, vol. 124 (1970): pages 116-118. "Francis Billington and Lincolnshire,"
  10. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 1. (1855): page 31.
  11. Arthaud, John Bradley. Mayflower Families Through Five Generations, Volume Twenty-one: Family of John Billington. Harriet W. Hodge (original compiler), Robert S. Wakefield (Revised 2001). (Boston: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 2014.) p 14,
  12. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 1. (1855): page 38.
  13. The Genealogist, vol. 2 no.2. (Fall 1982): pages 228-248). Some Descendants of Francis2 Billington of the Mayflower, by Robert S. Wakefield.
  14. Barclay, Mrs. John E. "Elizabeth Billington and Her Bullock and Beers Descendants." in The American Genealogist, vol. 39 (Apr 1963): pp 65-73.
  15. Note: currently (6/7/2020) her page has three different death dates - 1707, 22 March 1709, and after 22 March 1710. This needs to be resolved.
  16. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 8. (1857): page 4.
  17. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 8. (1857): page 13
  18. Caleb Johnson's Mayflower History Website. MayflowerHistory.com. (Accessed 6/6/2020). Biography of Francis Billington.
  19. "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," FamilySearch.org online database. Plymouth > Middleborough > Deaths 1682-1846 > image 2 of 54.
  20. Merrick. Vital Records of Middleborough, volume 1. (1986): page 3.
  21. Pulsifer. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 12. (1861): pages 28-29.
  22. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 1. (1855): page 61.
  23. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 1. (1855): page 106.
  24. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 2. (1855): page 6.
  25. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 1. (1855): page 38.
  26. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 2. (1855): pages 58-59.
  27. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 3. (1855): page 110.
  28. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 8. (1857): page 181.
  29. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 3. (1855): page 223.
  30. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 4. (1855): page 19.
  31. Shurtleff. Plymouth Colony Records, volume 4. (1855): page 136.
  32. Morison, Samuel Elliot ed. Of Plymouth Plantation 1620-1647 by William Bradford. (New York, 1952 edition): page 446.
  33. Bradford, William, 1590-1657. Of Plimoth Plantation: manuscript, 1630-1650. State Library of Massachusetts Website "List of Mayflower Passengers," image of original in Bradford's Hand.
  34. "Massachusetts Land Records, 1620-1986," > Deeds 1717-1720 vol 13-14 (see 14). FamilySearch.org online database. Page 255, image 524 of 545. Image of original document.
  35. "Massachusetts Land Records, 1620-1986," > Plymouth Colony Deeds 1705-1711 vol 6-8 (see 7). FamilySearch.org online database. Page 326, image 341 of 504. Image of original document.
  36. "Massachusetts, Plymouth County Probate Records, 1633-1967" > Probate case files 1686-1881 no 2001-2068. FamilySearch.org online database. Case #2001, Image 12 of 922. Image of original document.
  37. "Massachusetts Land Records, 1620-1986," > Plymouth Colony Deeds 1705-1711 vol 6-8 (see 7). FamilySearch.org online database. Page 326, image 341 of 504. Image of original document.
  38. Konig, David Thomas. Plymouth Court Records, 1686-1859, volume 5. (Wilmington, Del., 1978-81): page 102.
Source list:
  • The Genealogist, vol. 2 no.2. (Fall 1982): pages 228-248). Some Descendants of Francis2 Billington of the Mayflower, by Robert S. Wakefield.
  • Shurtleff, Nathaniel ed. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, vol. 1: Court Orders 1633-1640. (Boston, 1855). Archive.org LINK
  • Shurtleff, Nathaniel ed. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, vol. 2: Court Orders 1641-1651. (Boston, 1855). Archive.org LINK
  • Shurtleff, Nathaniel ed. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, vol. 3: Court Orders 1651-1661. (Boston, 1855).
  • Shurtleff, Nathaniel ed. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, vol. 4: Court Orders 1661-1668. (Boston, 1855). Archive.org LINK
  • Shurtleff, Nathaniel ed. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, vol. 8: Miscellaneous Records 1633-1680. (Boston, 1857). Archive.org LINK
  • Pulsifer, David ed. Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, vol. 12: Deeds 1620-1651. (Boston, 1861). Archive.org LINK
  • Merrick, Barbara Lambert and Alicia Crane Williams eds. Vital Records of Middleborough: Births to 1838, Deaths to 1800 and Marriages to 1772, vol. 1. (Boston: Massachusetts Society of Mayflower Descendants, 1986). AmericanAncestors.org Link
  • Cheever, George ed. Mourt's Relation: The Pilgrim Fathers, or The Journal of the Pilgrims at Plymouth, New England in 1620. (London, 1849). HathiTrust.org link.
  • Roberts, Gary Boyd; Ancestors of American Presidents. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009.
  • Regarding binding out the children to other families:"The Times of Their Lives:  Life, Love, and Death in Plymouth Colony,"  by James Deetz and Patricia Scott Deetz. pages 116-117.
  • Bradford, William. History of Plymouth Plantation (Massachusetts Historical Society, 1856) p. 449 "John Billinton, and Elen, his wife; and 2. Sones, John & Francis." p. 453 "John Billinton, after he had bene here 10. yers, was executed for killing a man; and his eldest sone dyed before him; but his 2. Sone is alive, and maried, & hath 8. children."
  • Morison, Samuel Elliot ed. Of Plymouth Plantation 1620-1647 by William Bradford. (New York, 1952 edition): page 446.
See also:
  • Anderson, Robert Charles, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, vol. 1: A - F, (Boston: NEHGS, 1995): pages 173-175, biography of father John Billington. AmericanAncestors.org link.




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Billington-1268 and Billington-2 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicates, please merge.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
I came upon this profile just now, following up on some information about the Billingtons in the June 2020 GenealogyBank newsletter. I just want to say this is a great profile! Well organized, easy and entertaining to read, and obviously well sourced. Congratulations to everyone who worked on it.
posted by [Living Kelts]
edited by [Living Kelts]
Ok Mrs Anne B. I have a new Bio for Mr Francis Billington ready to go. it is kinda long .... I am going to past at the top after bio and cut out my section of sources. That way all the old stuff is still there and if you approve I will go back and cut it out.
posted by Jeff Michaelsen
Thanks Jeff, I'll take a look, maybe tomorrow, when the brain is fresh.
posted by Anne B
Yea .... Know exactly whatcha mean! A bit burned out myself reading all the old records.

Looking over my final edits I have all the old profile data covered so I am going to cut it out. I have copied it and saved it to a word file if anyone wants it. So Profile should be fairly good to go once you add your finishing touches to it.

posted by Jeff Michaelsen
Would you mind if I did some rearranging and polishing, and do a little work on the sources? I know you put a lot of work into this and I don't want you to be annoyed at changes I make. If you don't like the final look, we can figure out a good compromise.
posted by Joe Cochoit
Jeff, I must admit I have some problems with the new biography. Especially the birth section which states "Nothing is truly known at this time about where or when," neither of which is correct. We have a very good reason to think he was born about 1606, and we have a very good reason to think he was born in the area of Cowbit and Spaulding, in Lincolnshire, England. The statement "there is very little data to support this theory" is wrong. I also think we can organize the biography a bit better. It took me a very long time to find the date and source for his death; I thought you had left it out entirely.
posted by Joe Cochoit
Hello Joe,

Please by all means change whatever you would like. This is a group effort and I am but one person inputting information. I am new to the "More Professional Level " Genealogy work, So I have no clue what is or is not acceptable. The Organisation of the Bio just kinda turned out that way, I kept adding all the stuff from the Records but it did not fit in the main Bio so I kinda just added at the end because a lot of it was fascinating. I am putting together an Email to send to the Mayflower400 UK group to see if someone over there can not scrounge us up some more data for us. I find it really hard to believe that there is not a single church or government record on any of them.

posted by Jeff Michaelsen
Hello Joe and Anne,

That works for me. If you guys are good with that basic style of layout that is what I will use. Again if you guys would rather I share with everyone else before posting an updated BIO I am fine with that. I do have one question and I ask this because I spent about 10 hours searching for and never could come up with any corroborating information. The children list .... the ninth child, only 8 in the silver book and nothing in any of the records. The child was in the original profile but again I found nothing to support the child's existence.

Joe, You added the ninth child back on the list, do you have a source that I am unaware of? I looked at some of the CItation sources you added and they are fantastic, but again I have not seen anything yet to indicate there was a ninth child. Is this one of those situations where we want to make a researcher's Note section and put the child there? Sorry still learning and I am fuzzy on the whole researchers notes thing?

Anyway, details I will leave to your guys more experienced hands. On to the next profile, and that looks to be Elizabeth.

posted by Jeff Michaelsen
The ninth child is given by Caleb Johnson in his book and on his website. There is no greater authority on the Mayflower passengers than Caleb Johnson. The child is also given in the biography put out by NEHGS on their Mayflower site. That said, I do not know the underlying primary source. I suspect it was determined by land grants which were often made according to the size of the household, so that the more children you have the more land you got. This is sometimes used as proof that an individual had X number of children at the time of the grant.
posted by Joe Cochoit
Bradford wrote in his Increasings and Decreasings of the Pilgrims in 1650-1 that Francis Billington was living, married and had 8 children. This was before the birth of the child on 25 February 1652 (presumably Mercy), so Francis must have had 9 children total.
posted by Joe Cochoit
Hello Joe,

Sorry, this one is not working for me. The website is just a website, nothing to support or any given list of Citations. I will send Mr. Johnsone an Email requesting additional information and sources. The whole Bradford Manuscripts thing. It appears to me that a whole lot more knowledgeable people than me are questioning the authenticity and accuracy of the documents. So I followed the line on Chilton or Samson, both end in kids that were born after 1650. I am going to have to go with Anne on this one. I would like to see the ninth child removed from the list of kids. We keep the child in the Researcher's notes for now, If I get something more concrete back from Mr. Caleb Johnson, but if Caleb comes back with an Opps, then we take the child out completely. How does that sound? Jeff M

posted by Jeff Michaelsen
Sorry, not a member of NEHGS, think I am going to have to bit the bullet and join. I will have to check out Caleb Johnson's Web site and see if I can get a hold of his book. Thanks.
posted by Jeff Michaelsen
I see the ninth child on CJ's website, but What book are you saying mentions it. I don't see "the child" in "The Mayflower and Her Passengers" since Johnson doesn't talk about the family of Francis.

I'm feeling ambiguous about including him in the list of children, since the Mayflower Society doesn't mention him, and if I include him in the list then I feel as though it needs a profile.

posted by Anne B
Jeff, I am not sure what is not working for you. If he had 8 children when Bradford made his list, and then he had 1 more afterwards, he must have had 9 children.

Caleb Johnson does at least briefly discuss Francis Billington in "The Mayflower and Her Passengers" on page 78 and says he had nine children.

Caleb H. Johnson. The Mayflower and Her Passengers. (2005)” page 78. https://tinyurl.com/y8vw7yd4 9 children.

http://mayflowerhistory.com/billington-francis 9 children

https://mayflower.americanancestors.org/francis 9 children

The Genealogist, vol. 2 no.2. (Fall 1982): pages 228-248). Some Descendants of Francis2 Billington of the Mayflower, by Robert S. Wakefield. 9 nine children.

https://pilgrimhall.org/francis_billington.htm 9 children

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Billington 9 children

George Willison. Saints and Strangers: Lives of the Pilgrim Fathers and Their Families. (1945). 9 children.

That he had 9 children seems to be widely accepted by all the major players in Mayflower genealogy. By not listing or discussing his existence puts WikiTree out of step with Caleb Johnson, the NEHGS Mayflower site, the primary research article on his children, the Pilgrim Hall site, and the Plimoth.org Mayflower site.

Anne, we are talking about a child who has no name, no birth record, no death record, no actual record of any kind. I would not feel it necessary to create a profile for him/her. A mention in the biography of the probable existence of a child who died young is good enough.

posted by Joe Cochoit
edited by Joe Cochoit
Hello Joe,

You, SIr, are one of the best people I have run across for debating and issue, and you provide some of the best arguments the most fascinating links, I am truly in awe. I conceded your point that yes lots of people are saying that there is a ninth child. That it is based on the logic that Bradford's list/Manuscript came out in 1650 and at the time he states that Francis had 8 children so if one was born in 1651 the Math works out to 8 plus 1 = 9 and if someone had looked at the dates between Mary b 1640 and Dorcas b 1650 there is ten years period where Christian only had two other children. she could have very well had a child that died very young and never made it in the records. Unfortunately, Bradfords Manuscripts have already been called into question by scholars way before this. If you look closely at Bradfords Manuscript there are other birth discrepancies. The next entry down. Edward Tilly everyone dies but Young Henry Samson who married and had 7 children. In fact, Henery Samson had Nine children, unfortunately, child #7 Caleb was not born until 1658. Bradford is talking about the birth of a child eight years before it happened. The entry about James Chilton, everybody dies but daughter Mary who Marries (Winslow) and has 9 children. The oldest daughter Mary who gets married (gray) and has a child Desire Born 1651. Another child one year before just like the Billington kid. Sorry, that is why I am having a problem with Bradfords list. My point is that nowhere in any of the Older Records does it ever state anything but 8 children. All mention of a ninth child is in the modern records, and those are in there only based on Bradford's Manuscript which turns out may have been rewritten by his son or grandson. That is documented https://archive.org/details/historyofplymout2162brad/page/413/mode/2up There is no "Smoking Gun" evidence in the old records. Heck more than half of the children's births were never recorded or noted. the only reason we know is that they lived, is because they went on to get married. Unless someone can produce "Old Record" proof of child nine then my opinion is "we do not perpetuate a possible lie." only my opinion and I am the new Kid on the block so toss that grain of salt in too.

Anyway enough of all that. Joe Thank you it has been a pleasure debating this with you and I look forward to debating other issues with you in the future. if you would do me the honor of Emailing me. Jeffmichaelsen2 @Gmail.com I will send you the somewhat Massive Word Doc I now have for Francis which now does (Thanks to you) Include every one of the Old Record entries documented today. Seriously Thank you for all the wonderful links you have put up here. they have to lead me to great places that lead me to even greater places. My only problem is now I have about 500 hours of reading and research to catch up on. LOL,

posted by Jeff Michaelsen
Billington-759 and Billington-2 do not represent the same person because: This is just silly. There are ZERO points of commonality. Different names, dates, not even the same gender. The ONLY thing they have in common is the last name.
posted by Charles Oliver
Billington-522 and Billington-2 appear to represent the same person because: many similarities including birth/death, parents
posted by Sarah Callis