Suthen (Bjornsdatter) of Scotland

Suthen (Bjornsdatter) of Scotland

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Sybilla Bjornsdatter (Suthen) "Queen of Scotland" of Scotland formerly Bjornsdatter
Born about in Northumbria, England
Daughter of [uncertain] and [uncertain]
Sister of
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Died in Scotland
Last profile change on 28 March 2015
21:36: Bree Ogle added an unmerged match of Northumberland-83 and Bjornsdatter-3. [Thank Bree for this]
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Disputed Origins

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Sybill's relation to Siward, Earl of Northumbria, as well as Bjorn is unknown. She has been referred to as Siward's cousin, sister, and daughter.



Chronicle of John of Fordun:

Foundation for Medieval Genealogy [2] states:

  • information is dubious ... "In one earlier king list, King Malcolm III's mother is named "Suthen"".

more recent sources suggest:

Marriage and Issue

m. Duncan of Scotland. Issue:
  • Malcolm III
  • Donald III
  • Maelmuire.[3]

Vitals

Name: Sibyl, Sybilla; Suthen
Surname: Duncan; Suthen; Scotland; DeMormaer; FitzSiward; Bjornsdatter[4]
Birth ABT 1007 NBL; 1009 Atholl, Pertshire; or 1014
Death: 1040 Scotland


SOME SOURCES SAY SUTHEN WAS THE MOTHER OF DUNCAN (NOTES) MORMAER OF (L) MORAY AND OF MALCOLM III (NOTES) (1057-1093) (L) SCOTLAND

Father: BJORN BIORN ESTRI (NOTES) DENMARK (L) ULFUSSON b: BET 953 AND 1001

m. 1 DUNCAN I, KING SCOTLAND (1034-1040) (L) b: BET 1001 AND 1013 in ANTHOLL, PERTHSHIRE, SCOTLAND

  1. John of Fordun's, Chronicle of a Scottish Nation. Translated from the Latin text by Felix J. H. Skene. Edited by William F. Skene. Edinburgh. Edmonston and Douglas 1872. www.archive.org
  2. fmg.ac
  3. Alan Anderson's EARLY SOURCES OF SCOTTISH HISTORY, AD 500-1286; Weir, A. (n.d.) BRITAIN'S ROYAL FAMILIES (revised edition).
  4. Wikipedia says her name was Suthen.


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Collaboration

On March 28, 2015 at 14:44GMT Bree Ogle wrote:

MERGE NOTE:
Sybill is a potential merge problem due to her unknown origins. Without cutting her off from parents, brother/father (Siward), or deciding on who they should be ... It's a train-wreck waiting to happen.
There is also a need to determine her LNAB Patrynomics isn't working -- nobody knows who her parents are. So is there a consensus on her House, and what is her final ID?

On October 21, 2014 at 15:23GMT Glenn Kittredge wrote:

Mother's, Father's date of brth does not agree with Sybil's date of birth.

On May 15, 2013 at 08:54GMT Wendy Hampton wrote:

brilliant summary Sheri, in some ways it makes life more difficult as a genealogist, but also simpler - and as Sybilla/Suthen could never have been Bjornsson, I have eliminated it as a aka

On May 15, 2013 at 00:59GMT Sheri Sturm wrote:

Old Norse naming traditions - Has a rule been set for this?

Since there were no separate countries like we have today in Scandanavia, the patrynomic systems which vary from Denmark to Finland could all be standardized in the old Norse way: -son for "son of" and -sdottir for daughter of (father's first name) - Nelsson, Nelsdottir.

This would streamline names. Since 1850 only Iceland still uses the feminine ending. All others are masculine and no longer change with generations. Another possibility is to default to father's first name without a gender ending so siblings can be matched more easily. (Nels and Nels) In any case, all old Norse names should begin with the father's first name, which means the names will change with each generation in ancient times.

On April 29, 2013 at 14:45GMT Wendy Hampton wrote:

I imagine that Sibyl is actually Biornsdotter - rather than son??



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