John Blount (abt. 1298 - 1358)

Born about 1298 in Sodington, Worcestershire, England

Ancestors

Descendants

Biography

THIS PROFILE CURRENTLY HAS MAJOR PROBLEMS RESULTING IN FALSE MCS AND ROYAL ANCESTRIES.

Investigation needed

The d. loc. of "Mamble,Cleobury Mortimer,Warwickshire,England" was shown, but this is a fictitious place ... Mamble is in Worcestershire, Cleobury Mortimer is in Shropshire and thus, neither is in Warwickshire.

Birth

Born: About 1298. ^{[citation needed]}

The Victoria County History of Worcester, Vol. 4 (1924) has a good brief history of the Blount family of Sodington, Worcestershire. According to its account, Walter Blount died about 1323 and his wife Joan was the sister of William de Sodington who died about 1303. Canning-229 14:27, 7 January 2015 (EST)

Marriages and Children

Married: Isolda Mountjoy, daughter of Sir Thomas Mountjoy.

Many older sources give him a second wife Eleanor Beauchamp, daughter of John Beauchamp of Hacche.^{[1] [2]} They also make his son Walter the son of this second wife. This is an error and he had no such wife.

The error likely occurred because of confusion over the quartering of arms by the Blount which was thought to contain the arms of Beauchamp. Per Nat Taylor, "On the alleged Blount-Beauchamp marriage, an article by Cecil R. Humphery-Smith, "The Blount Quarters," _The Coat of Arms_ 4 (1957), 224-27, is corrected by G. D. Squibb, "The Heirs of Beauchamp of Hatch," ibid., pp. 275-77, showing that the particular claimed marriage cannot have happened."^[3]

Also, Isolda Mountjoy can be shown to be living as late as 1352, after the apparent birth of Walter.^[3][4][5]

In 1374, John Blount gave to "his brother" Walter Blount land from the Mountjoy inheritance. And it should noted that the Blount family was later granted the title of Lord Mountjoy. There is no actual evidence in the way of deeds, charters, grants, or land ownership that Eleanor Beauchamp was the mother of Walter Blount, or that a Blount-Beauchamp marriage even occurred.

Children of John Blount and Isolda Mountjoy:

1. Richard Blount. Born about 1345. He was son and heir in the 1358 IPM of his father.^[6] He appears to have also died about 1358 as it was his brother John who inherited.
2. John Blount. Born say 1347.^[7]
3. Walter Blount. Born say 1350.
4. Thomas Blount. Born say 1352.

Death

Died: 8 March 1358

"He died on Thursday after the Feast of St. Chad this year." The Feast of St. Chad was on Friday, March 2 in 1358.^[6]

Inquisition Post Mortem:431. JOHN BLOUNT or DE BLOUNT, of Sodynton.^[6]

Writ, 30 April, 32 Edward III.

GLOUCESTER. Inq. taken at Rodelegh, Thursday after St. Barnabas, 32 Edward III.

Rodeleye. The manor (extent given), including a several fishery in the river Severn (Sabrine).

Tiberton. The manor (extent given).

Both held for life of the grant of Sir Henry, late earl of Lancaster, with reversion to the grantor and his heirs, of the king in chief by knight’s service.

He died on Thursday after the feast of St. Chad this year. Richard his son, aged 13 years, is his heir.

Writ, 2 April, 32 Edward III.

STAFFORD. Inq. made at Uttoxather, Saturday the eve of Trinity, 32 Edward III.

Baltederleye. A messuage, two bovates of land, fourscore acres of moor and 119s. 9d. rent.

Fenton. 41s. 1d. rent.

Bydulf. 13s. 4d. rent.

Romesore. 19s. 2d. rent.

All held for life of the demise of John de Crophull and Margery, his wife, with remainder to John, son of the aforesaid John (fn. 3) and his heirs, of the king in chief, as parcel of the barony of Alveton.

Denston. A messuage, a carucate of land and 5s. 1/4d. rent held of Thomas de Furnivall by service of 5s. yearly, and the carucate is let for 30s. a year.

He died on Thursday after St. Chad last. Richard de Blount his son, aged 13 years, is his heir.

C. Edw. III. File 139. (23.)

E. Inq. P.M. File 14. (12.)

Tracking Notes

GEDCOM/Ancestry Family Trees/Oneworld Tree -- John /Blount. Birth: 1298 Sodington. Death: 1358; Birth: ABT 1298 Of, Sodington, WOR. Death: 1358; Birth: 1298 Sodington. Death: 1358 Mamble, Cleobury Mortimer, Warwickshire. Death: 1358 Mamble, Cleobury Mortimer, Warwickshire

Research notes

There are major problems with this profile. Under investigation.

Sources

Footnotes and citations:

1. ↑ George Grazebrook and John Paul Rylands eds. Visitation of Shropshire, taken in the year 1623, part I, (London: Harleian Society Visitation Series vol. 28, 1889): page 50-57.
2. ↑ Collections for a History of Staffordshire. vol. 4 (London: William Salt Archaeological Society, 1883): page 80. HathiTrust.org LINK
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1} Soc.genealogy.com Discussion Group. Post: Mountjoy family - ancestors of the Blounts (First post 17 February 2008 by MA-R). Link to Google Groups
4. ↑ Croke, page 780.
5. ↑ I haven't found the source of the 1352 date and this may be an error. She was definitely living in 1350.
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1 6.2} CIPM vol. X pages 340-341.
7. ↑ History of Parliament Online: Biography of BLOUNT, John II (aft.1345-1425), of Sodington, Worcs.

Source list:

• Soc.genealogy.com Discussion Group. Post: Sir John Blount's Second Wife Elizabeth (First post 10 November 2010 by hsone). Two points made here: 1. He did not marry a Beachamp 2. He is not the same John Blount who married Elizabeth Furneaux. Link to Google Groups

• Soc.genealogy.com Discussion Group. Post: Mountjoy family - ancestors of the Blounts (First post 17 February 2008 by MA-R). Link to Google Groups

• George Grazebrook and John Paul Rylands eds. Visitation of Shropshire, taken in the year 1623, part I, (London: Harleian Society Visitation Series vol. 28, 1889): page 50-57.

• Collections for a History of Staffordshire. vol. 4 (London: William Salt Archaeological Society, 1883): page 80. HathiTrust.org LINK

• History of Parliament Online: Biography of BLOUNT, John II (aft.1345-1425), of Sodington, Worcs.

• Cokayne, George Edward and H.A. Doubleday et. al eds. Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, vol. IX: Moels to Nuneham, 2nd edition. (London, 1936): page 330. FamilySearch.org LINK

• Croke, Alexander. The Genealogical History of the Croke Family, Originally Named Le Blount. (Oxford, 1823). Archive.org LINK

• Great Britain. Calender of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol 10, 26-34 Edward III: 1352-1361. (London, 1921): pages 340-341.

• THE PEERAGE 165265 http://www.thepeerage.com/p21311.htm#i213101

• Visitation of Page 51: Blount