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Alice (UNKNOWN) Bacon (abt. 1587 - 1648)

Alice Bacon formerly [surname unknown]
Born about in Englandmap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married about 1608 in Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 61 in Dedham, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
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Biography

Alice ____ was the wife of Michael Bacon.[1] Their marriage date is unknown, but is estimated at about 1608 in England.[2][3] Her origins and last name at birth are unknown. Her estimated date of birth is based on an estimated 1608 marriage year.

Michael and Alice Bacon had the following children, all born in England:

  • Michael, born about 1608 or 1609, died 4 July 1688 in Woburn, Massachusetts, married first Mary _______, married second widow Mary (________) Richardson, and married third widow Mary (Haynes) Noyes[2][1]
  • Daniel, died 7 September 1691 in Newton, Massachusetts, married Mary Reed,[2] Baldwin estimates his birth about 1615[1]
  • John, died 17 June 1683 in Dedham, Massachusetts, married Rebecca Hall and had children[1][2]
  • Alice, died 29 March 1648, married Thomas Bancroft of Dedham[1][2]
  • Sarah, died 1652 in Dedham, married Anthony Hubbard[1][2]

It is thought by some that her husband removed from England to Ireland about 1633,[4] so it is likely he took his family to Ireland with him. Michael was in New England before mid-1636, when he was one of the signers of the Dedham, Massachusetts town covenant dated 15 August 1636,[5] but he was living again in England (or Ireland?) by 27 March 1640, when he was was a subscriber in the ship money returns for County Suffolk, England.[1]

Sometime in 1640, Michael immigrated to New England,[6] as did Alice, his children and grandchildren.[1] The date(s) of their arrival and the ship(s) on which they arrived are unknown.

It is known that Alice arrived in Massachusetts prior to her husband's permanent arrival as, on 23 June 1640, a Dedham town vote was passed giving Mrs. Smith and Mrs. Bacon, "being lately arrived here from Ireland ...their husbands are not yet come, yet liberty is granted unto them to purchase in our town for an habitation."[1][7]

"Ye wife of our naibour bakon" was admitted to the Dedham church on 17 September 1641 and her son, John, was admitted 7 June 1646.[7]

Alice Bacon died the 2nd day of the 2nd month 1648 (2 April 1648) in Dedham, Massachusetts,[8] just 16 days before her husband Michael died on 18 April 1648.[9] Michael's will dated 14 April 1648 named his sons Michael, Daniel, and John; daughter Sarah; and son-in-law Thomas Bancroft.[1][2] No probate is found for Alice.

Research Notes

Disputed LNAB and Origins

In many online trees, Michael Bacon's wife is called Alice Blower/Blowers. An Alice Blower, baptized 15 March 1589 at Stansted, Suffolk, was the daughter of Thomas Blower and Susannah Vincent.[10] However, there is no evidence that this Alice Blower married Michael Bacon. The marriage relationship was severed and a profile for Alice Unknown was created.

There was a surname Bancroft on a merged profile (unsourced).

Her LNAB is Unknown in all the sources recommended in Great Migration Directory[1][11] and is Unknown in Torrey's New England Marriages.[3]

Unsourced Son

Some online trees include a son John Bacon, born c.1617, and died c.1624 in Winston, Suffolk, but no evidence of his existence has been found. The profile has been detached pending proof of such a child.

Sources

  1. 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 Baldwin, Thomas W. Bacon Genealogy: Michael Bacon of Dedham, 1640 and his Descendants. Cambridge, MA: Murray & Emery Co., 1915, pp. 24-28. Google Books
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 Gardner, J. Bartlett. "Notes: Bacon Family of Helmington and Winston, co. Suffolk, England, and of Dedham and Salem, Mass." in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Boston, MA: NEHGS, NEHGS, Vol. 90, Jul 1936, pp. 301-302. AmericanAncestors.org($). Note: this source gives son Michael an incorrect DOD of 1683
  3. 3.0 3.1 "U.S., New England Marriages Prior to 1700". Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004, Ancestry Sharing Link (free access) - Ancestry Record 3824 #38738 ($). "Bacon, Michael1 (?1579-1648) & Alice ? (-1647); in Eng, [b 1608] Dedham".
  4. Bacon, Leon Brooks. "Michael Bacon and His Descendants" in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Boston, MA: NEHGS, vol. 56, Oct 1902, pp. 364-365. AmericanAncestors.org($).
  5. Wikipedia: List of Signers of the Dedham Covenant.
  6. Anderson, Robert Charles. The Great Migration Directory: Immigrants to New England 1620-1640. Boston, MA: NEHGS, 2015. Not available online. "Bacon, Michael: Winston, Suffolk (by way of Ireland); 1640; Dedham [MBCR 1:316; DeChR 25; WoTR 2; WoVR; SPR Case #80; NEHGR 57:329-31; NEA 7:2:54-55; Stevens-Miller 1:192-200; Thomas W. Baldwin, Michael Bacon of Dedham, 1640, and His Descendants (Cambridge, MA, 1915)]."
  7. 7.0 7.1 Holman, Mary Lovering. Ancestry of Colonel John Harrington Stevens and his wife Frances Helen Miller. Concord, NH: Rumford Press, 1948, pp. 192-200. HathiTrust.org.
  8. "Notes and Queries" in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Boston, MA: NEHGS, Vol. 57, July 1903, pp. 329-331. AmericanAncestors.org($).
  9.  :Massachusetts: Vital Records, 1620-1850": Dedham Vol 1 & 2. Boston, MA: NEHGS, 2001-2016, p. 128. AmericanAncestors.org($).
    "1648... Alice Bacon, deceased the 2 of the 2 mo.
    "Michaell Bacon, deceased the 18 of ye 2 mo."
  10. Threlfall, John Brooks. "The English Ancestry of Richard and Alice (Blower) Brackett of Braintree" in The American Genealogist. Boston, MA: NEHGS, 1976, vol. 52, p. 74. AmericanAncestors.org($).
  11. Holman, Mary Lovering. Ancestry of Colonel John Harrington Stevens and his wife Frances Helen Miller. Concord, NH: Rumford Press, 1948, pp. 192-200. HathiTrust.org.
See also:
  • Little, George Thomas, comp. Genealogical and Family History of the State of Maine. New York: Lewis Historical Publishing Co., 1909. DunhamWilcox.net




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Baldwin's work is reliable for this time period. Where his book goes wrong is in his proposed connection to English gentry over a century earlier at Thomas Bacon. This error is explained on Thomas' profile.
posted by Traci Thiessen
Given that Baldwins work is cited for a majority of the information, and Baldwins work is heavily based on the fraudulent workings of Gustave Anjou, this profile should be stripped pending reliable sources such as court proceedings, wills and probate etc?.
posted by Matthew Ryckman
Stripped? I sincerely hope not. I applaud your suggestion to add reliable sources, and welcome any additions you'd make along that line. The "Anjou" issue is applicable mainly to earlier generations, and perhaps the England-based research. But the New England research is fairly solid. Are you finding any particulary questionable statements in the biography? [Edited to add:] Anderson cited Baldwin's work in his Directory entry, so I don't think he found a lot of errors in it that pointed back to Anjou.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
edited by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
If you're interested in adding valueable sources to the profile, you'll find some good ones in the Directory citation #6.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Baldwins 1915 work was published prior to the discovery of Anjous fabricated geneaologies years later.
posted by Matthew Ryckman
Anderson includes Baldwin's book as one of two secondary sources in the Great Migration Directory entry for Michael Bacon. I doubt that it would be included without note if there were serious issues of fraud.
posted by M Cole
edited by M Cole
Gustave Anjou's contributions are met with skepticism, necessitating a comprehensive review, particularly in the context of his association with Baldwins 1915 works.

Any affiliations with the Bacon Family demand rigorous scrutiny, given their attachment to and/or stem from "Gateway Ancestors" to esteemed figures such as royalty, aristocrats, notables, and U.S. presidents. It is imperative to approach with caution the use of Anjou's work in WikiTree profiles, as its influence may have led to inaccuracies in established connections.

Anjou's involvement in crafting Baldwin's 1915 literature on the Bacon Family casts doubt on the reliability of these genealogical ties.

Profiles featuring a Bacon ancestor which establishes a royal ( or otherwise noteable ancestor ) link should be treated with suspicion, as they may have been influenced by Anjou's questionable methodologies.

This cautionary approach is crucial to maintaining accuracy in the representation of ancestral connections.

Furthermore, this is my observation insofar as other sources that may seem credible but makes me question their authentocity. My speculative observation concerns the historical typography in published materials, such as:

https://archive.org/details/baronetageofengl01wott/page/n10/mode/1up.

The inquiry revolves around the possible transition period when typewriters and ancient printers shifted from rendering "s" as "f," a practice often italicized letter f to resemble more closely the letter "s", leading to a closer examination of the authenticity of historical texts.

A fabricated example I created is provided for demonstration:

[f]i[f]ter of Michael [s]on of Thur[f]ton of Su[ff]ex and Drink[s]tone.

This discrepancy in the use of "s" and "f" within the same word raises questions about potential errors or variations in historical typographic styles and could very well be the work of Anjou or another genealogist that has participated in procuring fake genealogies.

posted by Matthew Ryckman
Even if that source were completely discounted, there are ten others listed, and you admit your concern is a speculation on your part based on the old style long s, which just might indicate something but requires more research? Perhaps time would be better spent on finding sources that disagree with the facts herein supported by the Baldwin source, and noting them here, to be added into the profile by the project?
posted by Jonathan Crawford
Maybe there are 10 sources listed but I can almost guarantee you that they will be tied into Anjous work in the works of Baldwin. If you can provide a copy of the documents that are used as a source ( not a typed out "digital" copy of the text" I'll consider changing my point of view on the subject. Problem is I almost guarantee you will not be able to produce objective primary sources quoted or a true copy or photographic copy of same. Im not saying that ALL of the details are incorrect in the profiles that are attached some facts are true but mostly fabricated details attached to names of people that didnt exist or existed but a completely fabricated parentage, or child that cannot be proven etc. If you read my comment you will understand that the basis on which i draw my conclusions are in fact proven to be well eatablished facts like Baldwins 1915 work being laden with Anjous masterfully orchestrated spider web of false ancestry. My observation which I concluded my comnent with is simply that , my observation not for the basis of which i definitively hang my hat on in relation to the subject of Anjous fraud.
posted by Matthew Ryckman
Join in the fray, Matthew. Fix facts that you find to be wrong, or cease standing on the sidelines and saying it could be wrong with no specific changes noted. Several of the sources here are on hathitrust, so the scanned text is available. We look forward to your constructive collaboration.
posted by Jonathan Crawford
edited by Jonathan Crawford
Johnathan. I understand that I'm new and maybe imprefect when it comes to the ins and outs of all the tricks of the trade that you may be privy to given your advanced experience and knowledge. Firstly, Im not making this stuff up Im merely basing my opinions on what others in the community have passed on to me by other members. I apologoze for my ignorance. Lastly, id love to note my views on the materials and profiles that relate to the subject, however, i lack the ability to do so as Im not pre-1500 certified. Im sure you will see where my confusion was settled as I was under the impression based on what ive been told that Baldwins 1915 work was considered to be fraudulent, I wasnt aware that it only pertained to a certain period or generations. That information isnt platered everywhere so forgive me as I learn about Gustave Anjou as I only learned his name and legacy about a week ago
posted by Matthew Ryckman
What specific statements in the text of this profile do you question? Let's be specific, not general.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Please see Traci's comment above. The errors related to the Anjou fraud occur much earlier in the Bacon ancestry and have been reviewed and corrected. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bacon-390

In any case, none of this impacts this profile for Michael Bacon's wife Alice, whose ancestry is unknown.

I appreciate your concern in making sure that WikiTree isn't using sources that are relying on fraud, and that you might feel more comfortable not using Baldwin's book at all. As I mentioned before Robert Charles Anderson was comfortable in listing it as a source for the immigrant Michael Bacon, I am comfortable with it being listed as a source here.

Of course, it's always preferable to have derivative sources backed up by original records. As Jonathan points out, WikiTree works by collaboration. So you're welcome to comment, and be heard, but realistically if you would like to see original records cited here, that's a great opportunity for you to contribute to improving the profiles. Even though these profiles are managed by the Puritan Great Migration Project, we are a small team managing thousands of profiles, and are not able to provide research on-demand (although we would sorely like to). We need the assistance of other WikiTree volunteers (such as yourself), to help do that research. Would you be interested in doing that?

posted by M Cole
edited by M Cole
Id be happy to help where I can be of assistance. However, Im not pre 1500 Certified, so Iimited to what I can contribute and have to resort to leaving comments on profiles or using the G2G Discussion Platform.
posted by Matthew Ryckman
Thanks Matthew. I just did a pretty significant overhaul of this profile in October and it has all the data that I could find about her. Of course, I may have missed something. If you find any new/additional info/sources, please feel free to add them as a comment on this profile or you can edit the profile yourself (this profile is post-1500 so you don't need pre-1500 certification).
posted by Traci Thiessen
As Traci mentioned, this profile is open to editing for anyone with pre-1700 certification. If you need to work outside a profile (because either you don't have certification, or you'd just prefer to have a separate work-space) one option is to create a Free-Space page (FSP). I'll do that sometimes to collect sources, or to work on a draft if I want to try different options out. Here's a research one William Clarke (d 1690 Northampton, MA) - Research (This will probably be added as a resource to the final profile). And here's a draft profile: M Cole-12288 Draft (I just copied the wikitree code from the bio section of the profiles I was working on from the edit tab and then transferred it over (with the profile managers being aware that this was going to happen. Of course, without the necessary certification, they would need to do that for you, but you would want to let them know ahead of time you were planning on suggesting some edits).

As Bobbie mentioned the Great Migration Directory has a few references to original records: see MBCR 1:316; DeChR 25; WoTR 2; WoVR; SPR Case #80 . If you're not familiar with the abbreviation, there's a key here.

Feel free to reach out to me if you need any help with finding the sources or creating an FSP.

posted by M Cole
edited by M Cole
Blower-51 and UNKNOWN-187332 appear to represent the same person because: Her maiden name is unknown, there is no support for surname Blower
posted by Anne B
I've added some sources. I don't see any reason or even mention of the surname Blower. Has someone gotten the 2nd wife of Michel the first, Grace Bloweres, conflated with this wife of 2nd Michael:? Even the dozen "sources" used on the Ancestry trees all say Alice ___ even though the trees say Alice Blower.
posted by Anne B
Steve, changing an LNAB is the technological equivalent of merging two profiles, which is why, as Michael points out, we seek to confirm the LNAB before completing a merge. And we haven't yet confirmed they're the same person. Michael Bacon had a spouse named Alice, and it looks like one Alice Blower was born to Thomas and Susannah. We need to confirm that these two Alices are the same person.
posted by Jillaine Smith
A LNAB should be decided BEFORE the merge. There is a technical reason for this as it reduces the number of redirects to the final, agreed upon profile.
posted by Michael Stills
It seems to me that two profiles should be merged whenever they are clearly the same person. The question of what the LNAB was is a completely different issue, which can be resolved after any merge.

If the standard is to never do anything until we can "prove" who someone was, few things will ever get done.

A solution to issues like this is simple: merge the two profiles, keeping Blower as LNAB, but marking the parents as "uncertain" with a note regarding any controversy.

posted by Steve Selbrede
Blower-51 and UNKNOWN-187332 are not ready to be merged because: We need a source that Michael Bacon's wife was Alice Blower.
posted by Jillaine Smith
We still need a better source for the Blower maiden name. The first four sources on this profile are *highly* derivative and untrustworthy. Until we can prove who she was, I've project-protected Unknown-187332 and marked the proposed merge as unmatched.
posted by Jillaine Smith
UNKNOWN-187332 and Blower-51 appear to represent the same person because: Same person. Note that the source in Unknown refers to her children, which are listed in Blower-51. The death dates are just 4 days apart, April 2 may be the most likely. The 1589 DOB is supported by the Geni source.
posted by Steve Selbrede
We need proof of the maiden name of the wife of Michael Bacon.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Blowers-79 and Blower-51 appear to represent the same person because: Independent research supports correct surname of Blower, born 2 Jan 1589 and died 29 Mar 1648. She is the daughter of Thomas Blower and Susanna Vincent. Married to Michael Bacon on 15 Feb 1607.
posted by Don Stone

Rejected matches › Margaret Low (abt.1560-1627)

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