Alice (Bradshaw) St John
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Alice (Bradshaw) St John (abt. 1433 - bef. 1488)

Alice St John formerly Bradshaw aka Bradshaigh
Born about in Haigh, Lancashire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of and [mother unknown]
Sister of
Wife of — married about 1455 in Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 55 in Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, Englandmap
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Biography

Father Sir Thomas Bradshaw b. c 1369, d. a 1409

Mother (Miss) Sherburne b. c 1383


Alice Bradshaw was born circa 1433 at of Haigh, Lancashire, England.[1]

She married Sir John St. John, son of Sir Oliver St. John, Sheriff of Glamorganshire and Margaret Beauchamp. The date of their marriage is not known and has been guesstimated as about 1455. They had the following children:

Alice's husband had another child:

  • Maurice,[3][4][5] who served as carver at the post-nuptial breakfast on 15 November 1501 for the marriage the previous day of Henry VII's son Arthur and Catherine of Aragon:[9] it is not certain whether his mother was Alice or her husband's second wife (see research notes on the profile of Alice's husband).

Research Notes

Richardson spells the name Bradshagh, which is also the common choice of English writers. Presumably it derives from Bradshalgh, maybe the one near Bolton, Lancs, though there were others. The placename evolved into Bradshaw, as did the surname in most cases. But the gentry family evolved it into Bradshaigh by the 16th century. Probably they were trying to imply a connection with the family seat at Haigh, which however they had originally acquired by marriage.

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  • A father's death date (Bradshaigh-10 died 1426) should not be more than nine months before one of his children's birth dates (Bradshaw-1919 born 1433) .

Detached profile for Alice (Sherburne) Bradshaw as her mother. Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry (III:478 SAINT JOHN 11) does not name her mother, just that she is a daughter of Thomas Bradshagh, Knt., of Haigh, Lancashire. In a discussion in Soc-Gen-Medieval, he cites the following:[10]

Four separate visitation records attest that John Saint John married Alice Bradshagh, daughter of Thomas Bradshagh, of Haigh, Lancashire:
  1. Charles, Vis. of Huntingdon 1613 (Camden Soc. 43) (1849): 2 (St. John ped.: "Joh'es St. John de Bletso, miles. = Alicia, filia Tho. Bradshaw de Haugh in com. Lanc.").
  2. Flower, Vis. of Yorkshire 1563-4 (H.S.P. 16) (1881): 62-63 (Clifford ped.: "John Saint John. = ... doughter of Thomas a Bradshaw.").
  3. Harvey et al., Vis. of Bedfordshire 1566, 1582, 1634 & 1669 (H.S.P. 19) (1884): 51-54 (Saint John ped.: "Sr John Saint John of Bletneshoe in com. Bedf. K sonne and heire = Alice daughter of Sr Thomas Bradshawe of Hawe in com. Lanc. K.").
  4. St. George et al. Wiltshire Vis. Peds. 1623, 1628 (H.S.P. 105-6) (1954): 167-170 (sub St. John ped.: "Johannes St John de Bletzo filius et heres miles = Alicia filia Tho Bradshaw de Haw militis").

Sources

  1. Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 478.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 Henry Ellis (ed.). The Visitation of the county of Huntingdon..., A. D. MDCXIII, Camden Society, 1849, p. 2, Internet Archive
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 Frederic Augustus Blaydes. The Visitations of Bedfordshire, Harleian Society, 1884, pp. 52-53, Internet Archive
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), Vol. III, p. 478, SAINT JOHN 11
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.4 5.5 5.6 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), Vol. IV, pp. 533-534, SAINT JOHN 16
  6. G E Cokayne. Complete Peerage, revised edition, Vol. XII part I, St Catherine Press, 1953, p. 121, viewable on Familysearch (image page 130)
  7. Charles Best Norcliffe (ed.). The Visitation of Yorkshire in the years 1563 and 1564 made by William Flower, Harleian Society, 1881, p. 62, Internet Archive
  8. Huws, Bleddyn, Williams, Gruffydd Aled, Sims-Williams, Patrick, Gruffudd, Gwen Angharad, Price, Iwan Tudor, Q, Claire Elizabeth (editors). Aberystwyth: Prifysgol Aberystwyth / Aberystwyth University, 2020, Morgan pedigree. Viewable on Geni.com (account - free - required)
  9. T B Howell. A Complete Collection of State Trials and Proceedings for High Treason and Other Crimes and Misdemeanors from the Earliest Period to the Year 1783, Vol. I, 1816, p. 326, Google Books
  10. SGM "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014 (updates information on John & Alice St John; accessed 22 November 2019/updated link from Rootsweb to Google).
  • Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry (2013), Vol. IV, p. 533




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I have expanded the part of the bio relating to children in the light of what I have done for the Magna Carta project on her husband's profile, and rounded the guessed marriage date from 1454 to 1455. I have changed the marriage place to England - we do not know where she married.
posted by Michael Cayley
My 16th Great Grandmother!! Thanks for the research!! Direct Relationship Found

16th great granddaughter 1. Margaret Ann is the daughter of Howard Winfield Mc Nutt (1910-1989) [confident] 2. Howard is the son of Elbert Marvin Mc Nutt (1878-1971) [confident] 3. Elbert is the son of Millard Winfield Mc Nutt (1848-1932) [confident] 4. Millard is the son of Mary Elizabeth (Luttrell) Mc Nutt (1828-1905) [confident] 5. Mary is the daughter of John Luttrell Jr (1801-1880) [confident] 6. John is the son of John Luttrell (1764-1846) [confident] 7. John is the son of Richard Luttrell Sr. (abt.1735-1790) [confident] 8. Richard is the son of John Luttrell (abt.1712-abt.1794) [confident] 9. John is the son of Simon Luttrell Sr. (abt.1681-1723) [confident] 10. Simon is the son of Robert Luttrell (bef.1655-abt.1710) [confident] 11. Robert is the son of Thomas Luttrell (abt.1634-abt.1674) [confident] 12. Thomas is the son of Mary Preston (1611-) [confident] 13. Mary is the daughter of Jenico Preston (aft.1585-1629) [unknown confidence] 14. Jenico is the son of Christopher Preston (1537-1599) [unknown confidence] 15. Christopher is the son of Catherine (Fitzgerald) Preston (1510-) [unknown confidence] 16. Catherine is the daughter of Elizabeth (Zouche) FitzGerald (abt.1488-1517) [unknown confidence] 17. Elizabeth is the daughter of Eleanor (St John) Zouche (abt.1455-1519) [unknown confidence] 18. Eleanor is the daughter of Alice (Bradshaw) St John (abt.1433-bef.1488) [unknown confidence] This makes Alice the 16th great grandmother of Margaret Ann.

posted by Margaret Ann Mc Nutt
updated the link in the text 22 November 2019

the rootsweb link for SGM is broken. Google Groups link works:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/OBmYprxEqWE/0floR6fdVyMJ

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Richardson does not give a marriage date for Alice B. & John St John.
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Richardson does not give a birth year estimate for her, although Magna Carta Ancestry, Vol. III, p 478, says her husband was "born about 1432-7 (aged 40 or more in 1482)".
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett

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