Margaret
"de Brewes"
Monthermer
formerly Braose
Born [date unknown] in England
Ancestors 
Daughter of Peter (Braose) de Braose
and Alice (Clifford) de Hussey
Wife of
Henry Tyeys
— married
about 1316 (to 3 Apr 1322) in England [uncertain]
[uncertain] Wife of
Thomas (Monthermer) de Monthermer
— married
after 23 Jul 1326 [location unknown]
Descendants 
Mother of
Margaret (Monthermer) Montagu
Died
in England
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Biography
Father Sir Peter de Brewes[1] b. c 1273, d. c 7 Feb 1312
Mother Agnes de Clifford[2] b. c 1277, d. b 9 Mar 1332
Margaret de Brewes married Sir Henry le Tyeys, 2nd Lord Tyeys, Keeper of the Town of Oxford, Custodian of the Isle of Wight, son of Sir Henry de Tyeys, 1st Lord Tyeys and Hawise de Montagu, circa 1316; No issue.[3][4]
Margaret de Brewes married Sir Thomas de Monthermer, 2nd Lord Monthermer, son of Sir Ralph Monthermer, 1st Lord Monthermer, Earl Gloucester & Hertford and Joan Plantagenet, after 23 July 1326; They had 1 daughter (Margaret, wife of Sir John de Montagu, Lord Montagu).[5][4]
Margaret de Brewes died on 15 May 1349 or 22 or 26 May 1349.[6][4]
Family 1
- Sir Henry le Tyeys, 2nd Lord Tyeys, Keeper of the Town of Oxford, Custodian of the Isle of Wight b. 10 Aug 1285, d. 3 Apr 1322
Family 2
- Sir Thomas de Monthermer, 2nd Lord Monthermer b. 4 Oct 1301, d. 24 Jun 1340
Child
- Margaret de Monthermer+14,3,5,6,7 b. 14 Oct 1329, d. 24 Mar 1395
Research Notes
Last Name at Birth
Some old sources show Margaret, wife of Thomas de Monthermer, as having the last name at birth Tiptoft. See for instance Volume IV of Wiltshire Notes and Queries.[7] This is incorrect. See this 2004 discussion in soc.genealogy.medieval suggesting that Margaret was daughter of Peter de Brewes.
On 21 Dec 2019 Pain Tiptoft and Agnes Ros were removed as parents of a profile subsequently merged into this one as there are no sources for the connection. Richardson states that Pain and Agnes had only one child: a son, John.[8][9]
19 Jan 1345/6 Alice widow of Warin de Insula, knight, and Henry Tyeys, knight, her son Thurs. after St. Hilary, 19 Edw. III Alice has granted to Henry two parts of her manor of Shyrebourne, and the reversion of the third part held in dower by Margaret widow of Henry Tyeys for her life; to him and his issue, with remainder to Warin de Lile her son and his issue, and her own right heirs. Witnesses: Aymer de Sancto Amando, Herbert de Seint Quintyn, Robert de Hildesle, knights, Gilbert de Shotesbrok, Robert Hoppegras.[10]
Marriages
For when this profile is revised
This 2017-2020 discussion confirms that Margaret married Henry Tyeys.
See also Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 9: Monthermer.
Sources
- ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 154.
- ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, pp. 180-181.
- ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 144.
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 4.2 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 205
- ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 118-119.
- ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 154-155.
- ↑ Edward Kite. Some Notes on the Montacutes in 'Wiltshire Notes and Queries', Vol. IV, 1902-1904 (George Simpson, Devizes, 1905), p. 532, Internet Archive
- ↑ Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), Vol. IV, p. 194, TIBETOT 5
- ↑ Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), Vol. V, pp. 163-164, TIBETOT 8
- ↑ National Archives, Berkeley Castle Muniments Reference:BCM/B/4/4/1
Acknowledgements
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Witnesses: Aymer de Sancto Amando, Herbert de Seint Quintyn, Robert de Hildesle, knights, Gilbert de Shotesbrok, Robert Hoppegras.<ref>National Archives, Berkeley Castle Muniments Reference:BCM/B/4/4/1</ref>
edited by Michael Cayley
Mike
The Complete Peerage, 2nd ed. vol. 9, p. 143 unde Monthermer, has that Margaret is probably the widow of Henry Teyes, Lord Teyes, without indicating her parentage. The corrections and additions to TCP in the Chris Philipp's 'Some Notes on Medieval English genealogy' website has research by Douglas Richardson confirming that she is the widow of Henry Teyes, but again without any indication of family name or parents. http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/monthermer.shtml
There is a post from soc.genealogy.medieval from 2004, by Douglas Richardson proposing her last name be Brewes or Braose and parents as on this profile, based on a seal but I gather other people raise some issues that make this less likely (at least the parents) https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/Cxaav55X9nI/m/UfvVLYhKHdgJ
There is another series of posts on Margaret, dated 2017-2020 where again evidence is provided that she was definitely the widow of Henry Teyes or Tyeys, but again no mention of parents or family name, that I can see. https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/4fvmQdGfpJs/m/JpmKYIGrCQAJ
The fact that her family name hasn't been listed as a correction/addition on Chris Philipp's website is a good indication to me, that it hasn't definitely been confirmed and Unknown may be the most appropriate LNAB?
For now, I will be completing the merge with the LNAB Braose. Further research can be undertaken when this profile is overhauled - or by anyone who wants to undertake the research earlier.
By the way, the citations to Douglas Richardson are correct. I have added one more. They can be tidied up a bit when the profile is revised. I have removed Marlyn Lewis as a source, in accordance with my standard practice.
edited by Michael Cayley
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Birth: 17 Jun 1239 Westminster Palace, London
Sexto decimo kalendas Julii, nocte sequenti, apud Westmonasterium natus est regi filius ex regina sua Alienora. Et rege sic volente aptatum est ei nomen, scilicet AEdwardus1; Edward was born at Westminster on the night of 17 June 1239. The news was greeted with great joy. The citizens of London took to the streets and celebrated by torchlight: they felt that they could claim the prince as one of their own number. In the royal chapel the kings clerks sang Christus Vincit to mark the event. According to Matthew Paris, the general pleasure did not last long, for Henry III made it plain that the messengers sent out to announce the event were to bring back gifts. One courtier commented: God gave us this child, but the king is selling him to us.2.
Baptism: 20 Jun 1239 Westminster Abbey
Qui dico infantulus, regis filius, licet praesens esset archiepiscopus, postea quarto die domino Ottone legato in conventuali ecclesia ipsum baptizante1; The ceremony was conducted at Westminster Abbey by the papal legate Otto, in the presence of the archbishop of Canterbury, the bishops of London and Carlisle, the kings brother Richard earl of Cornwall, and his brother-in-law Simon de Montfort, earl of Leicester. The baby was given an English name, reflecting Henry IIIs devotion to the cult of St. Edward the Confessor, designed to add to the prestige of the monarchy2.
Death: 7 Jul 1307 Burgh-by-Sands, Cumberland
Edward I died on 7 July 1307, at Burgh-by-Sands, a few miles northwest of Carlisle. His health had been poor for some time. The spring seems to have brought some improvement to the kings health. He was well enough to attend parliament at Carlisle for a time. Edward was certainly not in a fit state to campaign in Scotland, but his determination was such that, on 3 July, he rode out from Carlisle. He was suffering from dysentary, and progress amounted to a bare two miles a day. He spent the night of 6 July at Burgh-by-Sands, and when his servants came to lift him from his bed the next morning, so that he could eat, he died in their arms (Guisborough, 379).2
Burial: 27 Oct 1307 Westminster Abbey
Et tunc venerabile dictum corpus venit apud Westmonasterium, ubi similiter honestissimae vigiliae jugiter fiebant circa eum, et missae de die similiter celebrabantur sine numero usque in vigiliam sanctorum Symonis et Judae, quae quidem vigilia accidit in die Veneris. Quo quidem die Veneris praefati domini regis venerabile per omnia corpus [apud] Westmonasterium praedictum debito cum honore fuit reconditum et humatum retro summum altare ibidem in boriali parte3; It was not until about 18 October that the body was taken to London, where it was placed first in the monastery of Holy Trinity, and then in St Pauls, before being carried to its last resting place, Westminster Abbey. The funeral service, on 27 October, was conducted, fittingly, by Edwards old friend and recent adversary, Anthony Bek, bishop of Durham and patriarch of Jerusalem2.
Occupation: King of England 1272-1307
Spouse 1:
Princess Eleanor of Castile
Marriage: 1 Nov 1254 Las Huelgas convent, near Burgos, Castile
No chronicler recorded the date of Eleanors wedding. The Bury chronicle states that Edward reached Burgos on 13 October, but he was at Bayonne as late as 9 October, and a Castilian chronicle more reliably puts his Burgos entry on 18 October. Alphonso then knighted Edward and some English companions, as he had insisted on doing from the outset of marriage negotiations. The wedding all but certainly followed on 1 November, the date of Alphonsos renunciation of his Gascon claims in Edwards favor, and most likely at the Cistercian convent of las Huelgas near Burgos, the burial place of its founders, Eleanors great-grandparents Alfonso VIII and his Plantagenet queen (For the date, Trabut-Cussac, Ladministration anglaise, 7; Ballesteros Beretta, Alfonso X, 100).4
Children:
Katherine of England (1261-1264)
Joan of England (1265-1265)
John of England (1266-1271)
Henry of England (1268-1274)
Eleanor of England (1269-1298)
Beatrice(?) of England (1271-1272)
Joan of Acre (1272-1307)
Alphonso of England (1273-1284)
Margaret of England (1275->1333)
Berengaria of England (1276-1277)
Mary of England (1279-1332)
Elizabeth of England (1282-1316)
Edward II (1284-1327)
Spouse 2:
Princess Marguerite of France
Marriage: 10 Sep 1299 Canterbury Cathedral, Kent
Et in crastino Nativitatis Beate Mariae venit Cantuariam, et vto idus Septembris dominus Robertus Cantuariensis archiepiscopus celebravit sponsalia inter regem et Margaretam in ostio ecclesiae versus claustrum, juxta ostium martyrii Sancti Thomae. Et subsequenter celebravit missam sponsalium ad altare feretri Sancti Thomae5; An interlude in the political wrangling occurred on 10 September 1299, when Edward married Margaret of France at Canterbury, in a ceremony conducted by Archbishop Winchelsey, who was, at least briefly, on relatively good terms with the king. The bishops of Durham, Winchester and Chester were present, as were the earls of Lincoln, Warenne, Warwick, Lancaster, Hereford and Norfolk, along with a host of other magnates. After the ceremony, there was a splendid feast, with entertainment provided by a host of minstrels. The festivities took three days in all2.
Children:
Thomas of Brotherton (1300-1338)
Edmund of Woodstock (1301-1330)
Eleanor of Winchester (1306-1310)
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Sources
1. Matthaei Parisiensis, Monachi Sancti Albani, Chronica Majora: Volume III, A.D. 1216 to A.D. 1239, Henry Richard Luard (ed.), Rolls Series Volume 57 Part 3 (London: 1876), pp. 539-540.
2. Michael Prestwich, Edward I, Yale English Monarchs (New Haven: 1988), pp. 4, 521, 556-558, 566.
3. Flores Historiarum, Volume III: A.D. 1265 A.D. 1326, Henry Richard Luard (ed.), Rolls Series Volume 95 Part 3 (London: 1890), pp. 329-330.
4. John Carmi Parsons, Eleanor of Castile: Queen and Society in Thirteenth-Century England, St Martins Press (New York: 1995).
5. The Historical Works of Gervase of Canterbury, Volume II: The Minor Works, William Stubbs (ed.), Rolls Series Volume 73 Part 2 (London: 1880), p. 317.