Born about in Laugharne, Carmarthan, Wales
Ancestors 
Daughter of Guy (Bryan) de Bryan KG
and Joan (Carew) Bryan
Sister of
Jane (De Bryen) Cary [half], Margaret (Brian) Courtenay, Philippe (Bryan) de Chaundos, William (Bryan) de Bryan [half], Guy (Bryan) de Bryan [half] and Philip de Bryan [half]
Wife of
Robert (Grey) Fitzpayn
— married
before 16 Oct 1354 [location unknown]
Descendants 
Mother of
Isabel (Grey) Poynings and Elizabeth (Fitz Payne) Courtenay
Died before
before about age 55
[location unknown]
Profile last modified
| Created 28 Jan 2012
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Biography
Elizabeth de Bryan[1]
- Born about 1338, Laugharne, Carmarthan, Wales[2]
- Parents
- Father: Guy de Bryan,[3] K.G., Lord Bryan, of Laugharne, etc.[4] Succeeded his father in 1349; summoned to Parliament 1350.[5]
- Mother: Joan de Carew, daughter of John de Carew and his second wife Joan Talbot, daughter of Richard Talbot and Sarah de Beauchamp[6]
- Husband "Richard Fitz Payn (formerly de Grey)",[3] Knt., born about 1321, died 21 May 1393[4]
- Married before 16 October 1354[4]
- Children
- Isabel Fitz Payn (born c1362), married Richard de Poynings, Knt.[3]
- Elizabeth Fitz Payn,[4] married (1) Thomas de Audley, Knt., (2) Hugh de Courtenay, Knt. "shortly after 14 March 1386/7"[7]
- Died: before 21 May 1393 (she predeceased Sir Robert).[4]
Sources
- ↑ Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume II, page 2 BRYAN 10.ii.a; volume II, page 272-3 CODNOR 11; volume IV, page 423 POYNINGS 15.
- ↑ Location is based on her father being "of Laugharne" (Richardson, Royal Ancestry, II:272-273 CODNOR 11). Birth in 1338 is from text on her father's profile (Bryan-172).
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 Richardson, Royal Ancestry, IV:423 POYNINGS 15.
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 Richardson, Royal Ancestry, II:272-273 CODNOR 11.
- ↑ George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, page 361
- ↑ Richardson, Royal Ancestry, II:1 BRYAN 10.
- ↑ Richardson, Royal Ancestry, II:333 COURTENAY 9.
- Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City: the author, 2013. See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.
- Cokayne, George Edward. The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom. (See WikiTree's source page for Complete Peerage.)
- See also:
- Entry for Elizabeth de Bryan in Jim Weber's Rootsweb database
- Douglas Richardson, SGM post dated 2/9/09, "C.P. Addition/Correction: Guy de Bryan, K.G., Lord Bryan, and his 1st wife, Joan de Carew" (accessed 3 March 2019)
- Paul Reed, SGM posts (part 1, part 2) dated 10/20/98, "CP XIV: FitzPayn, Grey, Bryan [VERY LONG!]" (accessed 3 March 2019)
- John Ravilious, SGM post dated 2/28/04, "John Dinham (d. 1428) and his 1st wife, Elen [Montagu ?]" (accessed 3 March 2019)
- John Ravilious, SGM posts initial post, dated 2/21/04; post to additional post (originally to GenMed, 26 Feb. 2004), "John Dinham (d. 1428) and his first wife, Elen [Montagu ?]" (accessed 3 March 2019)
- Wikipedia: Guy de Bryan, 1st Baron Bryan (accessed 3 March 2019) - Note - Wikipedia says he had no children by Joan de Carew, which conflicts with other sources, including Richardson.
- Wikipedia: Hugh Courtenay (died 1425) (accessed 2 March 2019)
Acknowledgements
- Travis Wagner, created this profile on Oct 25, 2012, citing Ancestry Family Trees (Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members): http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=17142559&pid=764980048
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update - I was apparently waiting for a reply and lost track of this profile when there was none. MedLands links remain in the comments, where you'll also find a discussion of her LNAB.
Did I miss anything?
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Should I change her LNAB to Briene (or Bryan) or wait until primary documentation for her birth or baptism surfaces to show what it should be?
two MedLands links I've found that do relate:
MedLands - Lords Grey (of Codnor)... includes Richard m Joan FitzPayn but not the son Robert who married Elizabeth de Bryan.
this MedLands page has Ela, "daughter of --- (-16 Feb 1356)", widow of John Marshal, "married secondly (licence 29 Jun 1319) as his second wife, Robert FitzPayn Lord FitzPayn." That Robert appears to be FitzPayn-16, who names [this Elizabeth de Bryan's husband] Robert son of Richard as an heir.
"While he was still a young man, sir Guy married Alice Holoway, a Devon heiress, who died before 1350, leaving daughters but no son. Of these daughters, Phillippa married (i) sir Edward de Bohun, who died s.p. in 1362, and (ii) sir John Chandos, who died s.p. in 1428; Margaret married sir Hugh Courtenay (C.R., 1360-64, 242) as his first wife, and died s.p. shortly after 1361; and Elizabeth married sir Robert Fitzpaine, (formerly Grey) and had issue an only daughter who married Richard, lord Poynings,..."
Children of Richard de Grey, by Joan FitzPayn:
Robert Fitz Payn, younger son, born about 1321. He married before 16 October 1354 Elizabeth De Bryan, daughter of Guy de Bryan, Lord Bryan, of Laugharne, etc. by his 1st wife, Joan, daughter of John de Carew. They had two daughters, Isabel and Elizabeth. Sir Robert FitzPayn, died 21 May 1393. His wife, Elizabeth, predeceased him.
Thank you!
Richard De Poynings, 3rd Lord Poynings, 2nd son, born about 1355. He married Isabel FitzPayn, daughter of Robert FitzPayn (formerly de Grey), by Elizabeth, daughter of Guy de Bryan. She was born about 1362.
Thank you!
update - and now it doesn't, so I have re-orphaned the profile.
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Source: Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: 2013), Vol. II. page 2.
Source: Medlands: [1]
Sources above for Elizabeth De Bryan, who married Robert FitzPayn, shows Medlands and D. Richardson is using Bryan as the spelling for Elizabeth Brienne-10.
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