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Joanna (Briggs) Tallman (abt. 1645 - abt. 1685)

Joanna (Joan) Tallman formerly Briggs
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of [uncertain] and [uncertain]
Wife of — married 24 Jul 1665 (to 24 Jul 1685) in Portsmouth, Rhode Island and Providence Plantationsmap
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 40 in Portsmouth, Newport County, Rhode Islandmap
Profile last modified | Created 14 Apr 2010
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Biography

Origins

Based on the date of the ante nuptial agreement and traditional marriage ages for females of that time period and place, we estimate her birth year to be about 1645, or a range between 1640-1647.

Her ante nuptial agreement also calls her "of Taunton." There was one Briggs family in Taunton at that time, making immigrant John Briggs Sr, who emigrated with known sons by 1657. He is the most likely candidate for her father. Depending on when he immigrated, and when she was actually born, she was born in either England or in Taunton. (Note: there was another Briggs family in Rhode Island, but this document clearly calls her "of Taunton" to distinguish her from the Rhode Island family.)

Marriage

An ante nuptial agreement was made 24 July 1665, between Petter Talman of Portsmouth, Rhode Island, and Joan Brigges of Taunton, then in the jurisdiction of Plymouth Colony.[1] This was Peter's second marriage.[2]

Type: Alt. Marriage
Date: 17 Jul 1665, Portsmouth, Newport Co, RI [citation needed]

Children

Children of Peter Tallman and Joan Briggs, 2nd Wife. (Peter had 7 children with his first wife, Ann Hill Tallman)

  1. Jonathan of Dartmouth, Mass., b. about 1666, d. 1762. m. about 1689, Sarah — 8 children.
  2. James of Portsmouth, physician, b. about 1668, d. 1724. m. (1st) 18 Mar 1689/90, Mary —— ——, 3 children. (This first wife’s name was Mary (Brayton) Davol according to Mrs. Chase of Providence, Rhode Island), m. (2nd) 14 Sept., 1701, Hannah Swain. 9 children.
  3. John of Flushing, Long Island. b. about 1672; d. about 1707-1709; m. about 1693, Mary —— —, 9 children.
  4. Daughter, b. about 1674; m. about 1689, Israel Shaw of Little Compton, then in the Plymouth colony. 13 children.
  5. Benjamin of Warwick, R. I., b. Jan. 28 1684/5; died May 1759.

The foregoing account is taken from “The Tallman Family” contributed to the New England Genealogical and Historical Register by G. Andrews Moriarty.

Death

Joan Briggs Talman died by 1685 when Peter remarried.[3] A specific date of July 24, 1685, is sometimes given for her death. What is the source for this date?

She gave birth to a son Benjamin in January 1685, [citation needed] so perhaps she died due to complications of that birth.

Research Notes

The following letter to Miss Helen Swisher, Columbus, O., dated 1934, seems to dispose of all inquiries about Joan Briggs:

Dear Miss Swisher: Replying to your letter of the 9th instant , I would say that the ancestry of Joan Briggs is not known. As you are perhaps aware the Taunton town records were destroyed about 100 years ago by fire. A son of Clement Briggs of Weymouth was settled in Taunton but Joan could not have been his daughter as she was too old and Clement does not mention any daughter, Joan, in his will. It is my belief, however, that she was related to this family. In a later number of the Register you will find a note of mine on the family of Ann Hill, (first wife of Peter Tallman) with data from the Essex Co., Va. records. Yours faithfully, 1934 G. Andrews Moriarity

Since Taunton was a branch of the Plymouth Colony, and since a Briggs came over in the “Fortune” in 1621, we can feel there is a possibility that Joan was connected with the Puritans of the Plymouth Colony, but there is no proof. Joan's birth date is not known.

On July 24, 1665, an ante nuptial agreement was made between Peter Tallman and Joan Briggs. He agreed to give her land he had bought from Richard Morris, Daniel Wilcox, and William Wilbur, and also a house; all to be hers and her heirs born of this marriage. He gave her a bed and half the household goods, but if she die without issue the estate given her was to revert to Peter Tallman’s eldest son, Peter Jr., and if the latter die without issue, then to Peter Tallman Sr.’s eldest daughter, Mary and her heirs. To Joan, absolutely as a “free gift of donation” he gave 3 good cows and a good breeding mare. Joan Briggs died 1685.

Joan was born about 1635. She passed away in 1685.

Sources

  1. The Early Records of the Town of Portsmouth. Rhode Island Historical Society. Providence, RI: Freeman & Sons, State Printers, 1901.
  2. Virkus, Frederick Adams. The Compendium of American Genealogy, Vol. VII. 1942
  3. "Genealogical research in Germany and England" New England Historical and Genealogical Register 85:72. Boston: NEHGS, 1931
  • Gary Boyd Roberts, English Origins of New England Families, Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1984 , p. ??
  • From the Tallmon Family 4-18-2009. GED, "The Ancestry of James Arthur Tallmon", by Diana Tallmon, dated 18 Apr 2009:
  • Herbert S. Ackerman , Talman/Tallman Families (1953); Reprint of original book, loaned from the Bergen County Historical Society. LDS Film Number 442407, Ref # 21494.
  • Diana Lisa Tallmon, comp., "Ancestors of James Arthur Tallmon," supplied by Tallmon, 18 April 2009.
  • Julie Barrows, Black/NobleCT (WorldConnect GEDCOM; last updated 2013-06-13 (accessed 25 Oct 2016).
  • "U.S., New England Marriages Prior to 1700," database, Ancestry.com
  • Talcott, Alvan, Jacquelyn L. Ricker Ed., Families of Early Guilford; Genealogical Publishing Co., reprint 1984. Note: This source is very inaccurate, defer to the sources by Jacobus when possible.
  • "Descendants of Tunis Wells and Other Surnames", by Dave Wells
  • Kennett Art Offill, "Ancestors of Vern Divine"," GEDCOM, "WorldConnect Database: - last updated 2014-07-15 (accessed 25 Oct 2016). Information on James Tallman that married Dorcus Weaver, and others. NOTE: Family Tree; no sources for Joanna or Peter Tallman

Married Peter Tallman in Portsmouth, Newport Co, Rhode Island 24th July 1665.





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Briggs-13377 and Briggs-42 appear to represent the same person because: Same husband name and marriage date, same death date/place, similar birth date
posted by Cindy (Ramsey) Barnett
Mary (Tallman) Potter - Did she really exist, and was she the daughter of Joanna? I can find an Ann Tallman (daughter of Peter and Ann Hill) marrying a William Potter. Mary married John Pearce. TAG 20:116 corrects some of Austin's RI Genealogy for the Tallman family, saying that Ann (dau of Peter & Ann) married William Potter after Stephen Brayton died. The same TAG article referenced also removes Austin's comment (from his book page 197) about the "nameless daughter of Peter Tallman" marrying William Potter. A link to the TAG article: https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/american-genealogist-the/image?pageName=116&volumeId=11817&rId=23567957

Ann Tallman's profile has her marriage to William Potter in the bio.

Thoughts?

posted by S (Hill) Willson
Katherine is documented in the parish records of Thornbury, Gloucestershire,England. Let me check on John.
posted by Jillaine Smith
I also question the first 2 siblings, John jr & Katherine as there is no mention of them in NE records and the only source provided in their profile here is "Ancestry".
posted by David Mason
Hold! What's the proof for a second wife Hannah Fisher? Because there were multiple John Briggs of same/close generation in New England, they've been mixed up. We need to be careful here. I'd studied this awhile back. I created a g2g about this; let me find it.
posted by Jillaine Smith
I agree with 1645 after looking at her supposed brother's birth dates. And I suppose the mother of all would be Hannah with no children from Agnes.
posted by David Mason
Her birth year is estimated from her marriage year. Based on average years-at-marriage for females during that era, she was probably born between 1640-1647. If it were me, I'd say abt 1645. I seriously doubt she was born as early as 1635-- that would make her 30 at marriage. Very rare for that time period/place.
posted by Jillaine Smith
This page from American Ancestors (NEHGS) shows Joanna as daughter to John (but questionable) and siblings Richard, William & Hugh. http://www.americanancestors.org/databases/vital-records-from-the-nehgs-register/image/?volumeId=14272&pageName=80&rId=264754520
posted by David Mason
So here's a rare case where i would support the use of uncertain and keep her connected to John Briggs Sr. We actually don't know where she was born. We only know that at the time of her 1665 marriage she was "of Taunton". My old research notes that are included on this profile indicate that I found no other Briggs family in Taunton to which she could belong and that John Sr had a sister named Joan for whom she might be a namesake. Thoughts?
posted by Jillaine Smith
Showing up on error report, unclean after merge, tried eliminating duplicate tags, without changing information. Minor shifting of imports and used common tags.

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