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Marius (Britain) ap Gweirydd (abt. 40 - 125)

King Marius (Meurig) ap Gweirydd formerly Britain aka Siluria
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Biography

The earliest reference to Marius, son of Aviragus, is found in Geoffrey of Monmouth's Historia Regum Brittania or History of the Kings of Britain written a thousand years after Marius would have lived. [3]

Marius appears later in a Welsh version of the Historia, the Brut Tysyllio, where he has the Welsh name Mayric or Meurig ap Gweirydd, King of Britain [4] Brut y Brenhinedd ("Chronicle of the Kings")[1] is a collection of variant Middle Welsh versions of Geoffrey of Monmouth's Latin Historia Regum Britanniae. About 60 versions survive, with the earliest dating to the mid-13th century. Adaptations of Geoffrey's Historia were extremely popular throughout Western Europe during the Middle Ages, but the Brut proved especially influential in medieval Wales, where it was largely regarded as an accurate account of the early history of the Celtic Britons. Wikipedia: Brut y Brenhinedd

Wikpedia refers to Marius as a legendary king of the Britons during the time of the Roman occupation of Britain [5]

Geoffrey calls Marius "a man of admirable prudence and wisdom. "[3]

Because Geoffrey's and later accounts are now considered "pseudo-history" and not reliable, Marius is considered a legendary fifgure, whose actual existence is not established.

Legendary Narrative

Birth and Parents

Geoffrey names Marius as the son of Arviragus. [3]

In Brut Tysylio, The Chronicle of the Kings of Britain Translated from the Welsh and Illustrated with Notes; to which are Added Original Dissertations Etc. by Peter Roberts, p. 89] -. London, E. Williams 1811. (angl.) (Google eBook), it is stated Gweyrydd is the father of Marius and Avriragus is another way of spelling y-Veurig yr-Veurig.

In a Finnish genealogy, Marius appears as the son of Gweirydd and Genvissa, the husband of Julia, and the father of Coel.

In Morgan's pedigree discussed at From Beli to Byzantine Marius is the son of Arviragus and father of a daughter, Eurgen.

Birth Year Estimation

Wikipedia estimates his uncle Caratacus as born in 10 CE, therefore make his birth year in the next generation, 40 CE

Morgan's pedigree shows his years as 90 to 120.

Marriage

Geoffrey provides no name for a wife of Marius.

He married Penardun ferch Bran and Julia of the Iceni [4]

Since there is no confirmation that Julia married Marius, they have been disconnected as husband and wife.

Accession to Throne

The Brut records, After the death of the good King Arviragus, reigned his son Maurius [Marius], who had been brought up at Rome among the relatives of his mother Genois [Genvissa]. [6]

Marius (Mayric) came next, and ruled from ca AD 57-97.

Meric (Marius) reigned 74-125 A.D.

Arrival of Picts

Geoffrey writes, "In his reign a certain king of the Picts, named Rodric, came from Scythia with a great fleet, and arrived in the north part of Britain, which is called Albania, and began to ravage that country. Marius therefore raising an army went in quest of him, and killed him in battle, and gained the victory; for a monument of which he set up a stone in the province, which from his name was afterwards called Westmorland after him, where there is an inscription retaining his memory to this day." [3]

The Brut Tysyllio gives much the same account: And after Arvirargus did Marius his son become king. And in his days came Soderic, the king of the Picts, from Ireland with a mighty host to Albany, and conquered it. And on learning of this, he, Marius, came forth against him and did battle with him, and caused him to flee. And Soderic was slain as he fled. [7]

Land for Picts

Geoffrey writes, "He gave the conquered people that came with Rodric liberty to inhabit that part of Albania which is called Caithness, that had been a long time desert and uncultivated. And as they had no wives, they desired to have the daughters and kinswomen of the Britons. But the Britons refused, disdaining to unite with such a people. Having suffered a repulse here, they sailed over into Ireland, and married the women of that country and by their offspring increased in number. " [3]

The Brut Tysilio adds, "and from these are the Scots descended." [7]

Ties to Rome

Geoffrey adds that "Marius, after he had settled the island in perfect peace, began to love the Roman people, paying the tribute that was demanded of him; and in imitation of his father's example practised justice, law, peace, and every thing that was honourable in his kingdom." [3]

Issue

Geoffrey names only one son: "As soon as he had ended his days, his son Coillus took upon him the government of the kingdom." [3] The Brut Tysilio adds, And when Marius died, so Coel his son was made king. He had been brought up at Rome, and such was his love for Rome that though he could easily have done so, he did not withhold the tribute whilst he lived. [7]

According to Geni, His children included

  1. Eigen ferch Marius; [4]
  2. Owain Eurgen ap Marius Cyllin, King of Wales; [4]
  3. Coel (Coelus) King of Britain [4]
  4. Eurgain (Fictional) [4]

Children currently linked on WikiTree:

  • Eigen ferch Marius Daughter of St. Cyllin, King of Britain, Marius ap Caradog
  • Coel ap Meurig
  • Coellus (Britain) ap Meurig
  • Gladys (Britain) Maurius
  • Eurgen (Meric) Britain

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Coel I

Coel I:
Coillus (Coel) the sonne of Marius was after his fathers deceasse made king of Britaine, in the yeare of our Lord 125... When Coill had reigned the space of 54 yeares, he departed this life at Yorke, leaving after him a sonne named Lucius. [Source: Holinshed, Vol I, p511][8]

HISTORY OF EARLY BRITISH KINGS:

http://www.ldolphin.org/cooper/ch5.html

Cyllin of Britain, born Abt 0099, Of Britain Coel "Old King Coel" (Coilus, Coel Hen) King of Britain, born 0125, Of Britain, died 0170. One account claims this man was born 60 AD and lived to the age of 110 years.

Two other conflicting accounts of Old King Coel I and old King Coel II. According to the Tompsett genealogy, King Arthur was a great-great-grandson of King Coel, through Coel's daughter Gwawl, grand-daughter Gwen, and great-grand-daughter Eigr

  • Fiacha Srabhteine, born Abt 235, died about 0285, M: Abt 260
  • Aiofe, daughter of Old King Coel, born Abt 240
  • Murdeach Tireach, born Abt 261, died Abt 0326
  • Muiron, born Abt 266
  • Eochy Moyvone, born Abt 287, died Abt 0357
  • Inne, born Abt 291
  • Niall Mor ("Niall Of The Nine Hostages"), born Abt 311, died Abt 0378
  • Foghan Owen, born Abt 337, died Abt 0405
  • Muredach, born Abt 363
  • Marca, born Abt 368
  • Fergus Mor Mac, born Abt 389 :
  • MorMacErc, Fergus, of Dalriada, King of Scots, died (killed) in 501

This is as far back as the Thompsett genealogy goes. Tompsett does not list a genealogy which includes "Old King Coel" Donart, born Abt 415, died 0505 :

Reference: familytrees.genopro.com/318186/jarleslekt/default.htm?page=toc_families.htm (broken link and not on archive.org 6 September 2023)


Birth: in abt 70 AD at Siluria, Wales Note biographical and/or anecdotal:

King of Siluria, was sainted by the early Church of Britain. "He first of the Cymry gave infants names, for before names were not given except to adults, and then from something characteristic in their bodies, minds, or manners." His brother Linus the Martyr, his sister Claudia and her husband Rufus Pudens aided the Apostle Paul in the Christian Church in Rome, as recorded in II Timothy 4:21 and Romans 16:13 (Rufus Pudens and St. Paul are shown to be half-brothers, with the same mother but different fathers. "His mother and mine." She thus appears to have been the mother of an elder son, Paul, by a Hebrew husband, and a younger son, Rufus, by a second marriage with a Roman Christian.) King Coel Hen "Old King Coel" Of The BRITAINS

94 - 170 COEL Legendary ruler identified by Geoffrey of Monmouth. He was the son of MARIUS and was raised, and probably educated, in Rome. This means he would have been taken there at the time the British chieftains ARVIRAGUS and CARATACUS were captured by Claudius in 51, when he was probably a young boy, and would have returned with his father (and grandfather) around 60 or soon after. On these assumptions Coel, who respected and honoured the Romans, paying his taxes when due, may have lived to the turn of the first century. He was succeeded by his son LUCIUS. It is interesting to speculate whether this Coel is Geoffrey's version of COGIDUBNUS who was highly rewarded by the Romans. He is not the same as "Old King Cole" who was a post-Roman ruler...

Saint Cyllin

Saint Cyllin From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Saint Cyllin was a legendary, and possibly historical British king of the 1st century AD, early Christian saint and the last pendragon of Great Britain. His existence is based on very limited evidence.[1]

Richard Williams Morgan claimed that a reference to him as a son of Caratacus was found in the family records of Iestyn ab Gwrgant and used this as evidence of early entry of Christianity to Britain; "Cyllin ab Caradog, a wise and just king. In his days many of the Cymry embraced the faith in Christ through the teaching of the saints of Cor-Eurgain, and many godly men from the countries of Greece and Rome were in Cambria. He first of the Cymry gave infants names; for before, names were not given except to adults, and then from something characteristic in their bodies, minds, or manners."[2]

Reference to Saint Cyllin is also given in Iolo Morganwg's "Third series" of forged Welsh Triads.[3] He is also discussed in the works of Rice Rees, Jane Williams, Sabine Baring-Gould and John Williams (Ab Ithel) as brother of Saint Eigen and father of King Coel.[4][5][6][7] He is also noted in a manuscript giving the genealogy of Taliesin from the collection of Thomas Hopkin of Coychurch along with one from the Havod Uchtryd collection where he is called Cynan, a name often associated with Conan Meriadoc.[8]

Notes

  • Anonymous (31 March 2004). The Genealogy Of Iestyn The Son Of Gwrgan. Kessinger Publishing. pp. 513–. ISBN 978-0-7661-8411-4. Retrieved 10 August 2012.
  • Richard Williams Morgan (1861). St. Paul in Britain; or, The origin of British as opposed to papal Christianity. pp. 161–. Retrieved 8 August 2012.
  • Iolo Morganwg (1801). The triads of Britain. Wildwood House. ISBN 978-0-7045-0290-1. Retrieved 8 August 2012.
  • Rice Rees (1836). An essay on the Welsh saints or the primitive Christians, usually considered to have been the founders of the churches in Wales. Longman, Rees, Orme, Brown, Green, and Longman. pp. 82–. Retrieved 10 August 2012.
  • Jane Williams (18 November 2010). A History of Wales: Derived from Authentic Sources. Cambridge University Press. pp. 41–. ISBN 978-1-108-02085-5. Retrieved 10 August 2012.
  • S. Baring-Gould; John Fisher (30 June 2005). The Lives of the British Saints: The Saints of Wales, Cornwall and Irish Saints. Kessinger Publishing. pp. 218–. ISBN 978-0-7661-8765-8. Retrieved 10 August 2012.
  • John Williams (1844). The eccles. Antiquities of the Cymry; or: The ancient British church. Cleaver. pp. 63–. Retrieved 10 August 2012.
  • Mabinogion (1849). The Mabinogion, from the Llyfr coch o Hergest, and other ancient Welsh MSS., with an Engl. pp. 391–. Retrieved 10 August 2012.

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Cyllin Prince of Britain (Catuvellauni tribe)

  • Died : Taken prisoner to Rome in chains
  • Father Caratacus King of Britain (Cantii tribe)
  • Mother
  • Marriage ?
  • Children - - Dght. Princess of Britain (Catuvellauni tribe)
  • Forrás / Source:

View Tree for King Cyllin of Britain King Cyllin of Britain (d. date unknown) King Cyllin of Britain (son of King Caradoc of Siluria) was born in Britain, and died date unknown.

Includes NotesNotes for King Cyllin of Britain: Born: about 99 AD

St. Cyllin: King of Silurua, was sainted by the early church of Britain. "He first of the Cymry gave infants names, for before names were not given except to adults, and then from something characteristic in their bodies, minds, or manners." His brother Linus the Martyr, his sister Claudia and her husband RufusPudens aided the Apostle Paul in the Christian Church in Rome as recorded in II Timothy 4:21 and Romans 16:13 (Rufus Pudens and St. Paul are shown to be half-brothers, with the same mother but different fathers. "His mother and mine." She thus appears to have been the mother of an elder son, Paulm by a Hebrew husband, and a younger son, Rufus, by a second marriage with a Roman Christian)

Children of King Cyllin of Britain are:

1. +King Coel of Britain, b. 125, Britain, d. 170, Britain. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/a/y/Laura-Kay/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0217.html

King of the Britons 74-125 AD

FROM WIKIPEDIA: Saint Cyllin was a legendary, and possibly historical British king of the 1st century AD, early Christian saint and the last pendragon of Great Britain. His existence is based on very limited evidence.[1] Richard Williams Morgan claimed that a reference to him as a son of Caratacus was found in the family records of Iestyn ab Gwrgant and used this as evidence of early entry of Christianity to Britain; "Cyllin ab Caradog, a wise and just king. In his days many of the Cymry embraced the faith in Christ through the teaching of the saints of Cor-Eurgain, and many godly men from the countries of Greece and Rome were in Cambria. He first of the Cymry gave infants names; for before, names were not given except to adults, and then from something characteristic in their bodies, minds, or manners."[2]

Reference to Saint Cyllin is also given in Iolo Morganwg's "Third series" of forged Welsh Triads.[3] He is also discussed in the works of Rice Rees, Jane Williams, Sabine Baring-Gould and John Williams (Ab Ithel) as brother of Saint Eigen and father of King Coel.[4][5][6][7] He is also noted in a manuscript giving the genealogy of Taliesin from the collection of Thomas Hopkin of Coychurch along with one from the Havod Uchtryd collection where he is called Cynan, a name often associated with Conan Meriadoc.[8]

Married to the daughter of (Buddica Queen of Icena ancient Britain) Married in Germany about 275

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Cyllin

Marius=romanization of Meurig=in Celtic Y-Veurig Rules (possibly the Silures) in Wales c74-c125 Taken prisoner to Rome in chains Marius was a legendary king of the Britons during the time of the Roman occupation of Britain , as recounted in Geoffrey of Monmouth 's pseudohistorical Historia Regum Britanniae . He was the son of King Arvirargus and ruled following his father's death. According to Geoffrey, he ruled wisely in the time when the Picts first came to Britain. A fleet of ships under the leadership of Sodric came from Scythia and landed in Albany . Once there, they began to destroy the lands and Marius was forced to react. Following numerous battles, Marius killed Sodric and set up a stone there to remember that triumph. In addition, that land became known as Westmorland after him. In respect for the people he defeated, he gave them a small portion of Albany called Caithness to live in. Marius refused, however, to give them women to marry so the Picts fled to Ireland and took wives there. Marius established close ties with Rome and good diplomacy through tribute and respect of the Roman citizens in Britain. He followed the laws of his ancestors and ruled the justly. When he died, he was succeeded by his son, Coilus .

Son of Caractacus Gweirdd ap Cunobelin, King of the Catuvellauni and Genuissa, Queen of Siluria Husband of Penardun ferch Bran and Julia of the Iceni Father of Eigen ferch Marius; Owain Eurgen ap Marius Cyllin, King of Wales; Coel (Coelus) King of Britain and Eurgain (Fictional) Brother of Eurgen verch Caradog, of Siluria; Saint Claudia; Linus Lleyn "The Martyr" ap Caradoc, Pope, 1st Bishop of Rome and Guid Gen ap Caradog

Also Known As: English (default): Meric, Cyllin, Marius, Emeurig, Meurig, Y-Veurig, of Britain, ab Arfyrag, of Siluria, of Britons, Meurig ap GWYRYDD; King of SILURIA, Marius=romanization of Meurig=in Celtic Y-Veurig, Marius Cyllin of Britain, Cyllin of Siluria, King of Britain, King o... Portuguese: SÃO CILLYN Occupation: rKing of Siluria, MERIC, ABT 0099 - ?, King of Britain (87), Rules (possibly the Silures) in Wales c74-c125, King of Britian in 74, Saint Cylin roi des Silures ca 59, King, aka Meurig ap GWYRYDD; King of SILURIA, Kung, Cyllan of Britain, Saint, REI Top Surnames ap Gweirydd, ap Cunobelin, ferch Bran, verch Prasutagus and 7 others view all 423

  • Marlyn Lewis. Our Royal Titled Noble and Commoner Ancestors Profile for Cyllin Contains no reliable sourcing. Accessed 4 June 2022

Sources

  1. National CV Group. The National CV of Britain: A Repository of British History Accessed 3 June 2022
  2. Wikipedia:Marius of Britain
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 Geoffrey of Monmouth. Historia Regum Britanniae or History of the Kings of Britain. Book 4 The account of Marius begins in Book 4 on page 154. Accessed 4 June 2022. jhd
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 Geni Marius ap Gweirydd Added by: Dean Ronald Tanner, Sr. on May 26, 2007. Managed by: Margaret (C) and 302 others. Curated by: Erin Spiceland. Accessed April 1, 2018 jhd
  5. Wikipedia: Marius of Britain
  6. John de Wavrin, 1864, A Collection of the Chronicles and ancient Histories of Great Britain, now called England, translated by Will. Hardy: From Albina to A, Part 688 (Google eBook)
  7. 7.0 7.1 7.2 Tysilio Chronicle, p31, More 18. Cited by John de Wavrin, 1864, A Collection of the Chronicles and ancient Histories of Great Britain, now called England, translated by Will. Hardy: From Albina to A, Part 688 (Google eBook)
  8. The National CV of Britain, 3.2 Rulers AD. accessed 2014-04-25, amb

Blbliography of Frequently Cited Works

  • Gardner, Laurence. Bloodline of the Holy Grail' New York: Barnes and Noble, 2003. This blend of fact and fiction tracing the ancestry of European royalty to a union of Jesus of Nazareth and Mary Magdalene is promised to be "entirely fascinating." The foreward to the book boasts that "Rare is the historian acquainted with such compelling facts as are gathered in this work." Indeed.

See also

  • Marlyn Lewis. Our Royal Titled Noble and Commoner Ancestors Profile for Marius Contains no reliable sourcing. Accessed 4 June 2022

Acknowledgements

  • WikiTree profile UNKNOWN-83028 created through the import of heinakuu2011-6.ged on Jul 5, 2011 by Johanna Amnelin.




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Two other conflicting accounts of Old King Coel I and old King Coel II.

Would this be the famous "Old King Cole" of nursery rhymes ?

posted by Don Collier
Britain-34 (King Meric (Britain) Ab Arviragus (c420-125), and Ap_Gweirrydd-4, (King Marius Ap Gweirydd (c40-125), and Caradoc-1 (Cyllinus Caradoc-Ap Caradoc (c50-?), all seem to represent the same person. Please Merge.
"Maurius (Britain), King of Siluria," as it were, is the 31st great-grandfather of Robert I 'The Bruce' King of Scotland, and thereby, my 56th great-grandfather by King Robert.

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